[MD] relatively static

MarshaV valkyr at att.net
Sun May 12 14:46:48 PDT 2013 

J-A,

Answer the Y/N questions yourself; I am not interested in doing so.  It's your thought experiment, so explain its point.   What are you thinking?


Marsha




On May 12, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:

> Dear Marsha
> 
> It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my questions with YES or NO.
> 
> Is the clay burned to make it firm?  Y/N
> 
> Does that make it better and more useful?  Y/N
> 
> J-A
> 
> 
> 
>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or teapots or 'saving time'.   Before (when soft and malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing.  In other words, both before and after the firing, the clay or teapot  is ever-changing.  So once again I suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an introspective look:  
> 
>> Marsha:
>> I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a contradiction to understand that patterns may maintain a static, stable identity at the same time as they and their context are undergoing constant change. Think of the Ship of Theseus, or a parade (Hume) where everyone drops out but is replaced so that the parade is maintained, or the body with its cells constantly being replaced.  Things can change - flow - and yet have permanence; think of a river.
> 
> 
> 11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV:
> 
>> 
>> J-A,
>> 
>> Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment clear I will consider it.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well Marsha
>>> 
>>> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>> 
>>> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern changes into another, OK?
>>> 
>>> J-A
>>> 
>>> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> J-A,
>>>> 
>>>> What potter?  -  It's your thought experiment and I don't understand it's point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because it makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter because it is still in a state of change?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jan-Anders
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I did not write "still in constant change".  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Before (when soft and malleable), during firing, and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 9, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Would please answer my last question: 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do you mean by that "still in constant change" that there is NO change when the clay is burned? Y/N
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> J A
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 9 maj 2013 x kl. 09.21 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you do not familiar the process of firing clay, you might think about choosing a different example for your attempts at a thought experiment.  Does your imagining clay firing stay the same?  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 8, 2013, at 9:03 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> YES
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am confused.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Do you mean by that "still in constant change" that there is NO change when the clay is burned?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jan Anders
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 8 maj 2013 x kl. 11.34 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You seem confused, so I've changed the subject line to reflect the original and more appropriate discussion.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or teapots or 'saving time'.   Before (when soft and malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing.  In other words, both before and after the firing, the clay or teapot  is ever-changing.  So once again I suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an introspective look:  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> "The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from experience but to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating stale, confusing, static, intellectual attachments of the past."
>>>>>>>>>> (LILA, Chapter 9) 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> “Introspective observation is what we have to rely on first and foremost and always. I regard the belief [in introspection] as the most fundamental of all the postulates of Psychology” 
>>>>>>>>>> (W. James, 1890)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> ... snip... 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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