[MD] relatively static

Sun May 12 12:39:54 PDT 2013

Dear Marsha

It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my questions with YES or NO.

Is the clay burned to make it firm?  Y/N

Does that make it better and more useful?  Y/N

J-A

>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or teapots or 'saving time'.   Before (when soft and malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing.  In other words, both before and after the firing, the clay or teapot  is ever-changing.  So once again I suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an introspective look:  

> Marsha:
> I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a contradiction to understand that patterns may maintain a static, stable identity at the same time as they and their context are undergoing constant change. Think of the Ship of Theseus, or a parade (Hume) where everyone drops out but is replaced so that the parade is maintained, or the body with its cells constantly being replaced.  Things can change - flow - and yet have permanence; think of a river.

11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV:

> 
> J-A,
> 
> Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment clear I will consider it.
> 
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well Marsha
>> 
>> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>> 
>> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern changes into another, OK?
>> 
>> J-A
>> 
>> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> J-A,
>>> 
>>> What potter?  -  It's your thought experiment and I don't understand it's point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>>> 
>>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because it makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter because it is still in a state of change?
>>>> 
>>>> Jan-Anders
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> J-A,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did not write "still in constant change".  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Before (when soft and malleable), during firing, and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 9, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Would please answer my last question: 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you mean by that "still in constant change" that there is NO change when the clay is burned? Y/N
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> J A
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 9 maj 2013 x kl. 09.21 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you do not familiar the process of firing clay, you might think about choosing a different example for your attempts at a thought experiment.  Does your imagining clay firing stay the same?  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 8, 2013, at 9:03 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> YES
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am confused.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Do you mean by that "still in constant change" that there is NO change when the clay is burned?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jan Anders
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 8 maj 2013 x kl. 11.34 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You seem confused, so I've changed the subject line to reflect the original and more appropriate discussion.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or teapots or 'saving time'.   Before (when soft and malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing.  In other words, both before and after the firing, the clay or teapot  is ever-changing.  So once again I suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an introspective look:  
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from experience but to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating stale, confusing, static, intellectual attachments of the past."
>>>>>>>>> (LILA, Chapter 9) 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> “Introspective observation is what we have to rely on first and foremost and always. I regard the belief [in introspection] as the most fundamental of all the postulates of Psychology” 
>>>>>>>>> (W. James, 1890)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> ... snip... 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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