[MD] relatively static

[MarshaV]

J-A,

What she?   


Marsha 





On May 13, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:

> So did you like the pattern she created?
> 
> J A
> 
> 
> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 10.28 skrev MarshaV:
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>> 
>> J-A,
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>> Would you now like to lecture me on how you have achieved a similar performance of beauty, harmony, balance, and how I could too if only I listen to your wise words?    
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
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>> 
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>> On May 13, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote:
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>> How about this
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>> http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shida.htm#.UZCXf3DEjcU
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>> J A
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Greetings J-A,
>> 
>> On May 13, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote:
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>>> Dear Marsha 
>>> 
>>> I think you are interested to know its point.
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>> Is it your habit (pattern) to think you KNOW other people's interests?  That's a rather grandiose claim.  -  Make your point!   
>> 
>> 
>> Here's my mundane point:
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>> 
>> 
>> --- Static patterns of value are repetitive processes (multiple events), 
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>>           conditionally co-dependent, 
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>>                        impermanent, 
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>>                                     and ever-changing, 
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>> that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern.  
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>> Within the MoQ, 
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>>       these patterns are morally categorized into a four-level, evolutionary, 
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>>        hierarchical  
>>                           structure:  
>>                                           intellectual, 
>>                                                              social, 
>>                                                                         biological, 
>>                                                                                          and inorganic. 
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>> Static quality exists in stable patterns relative to other patterns.  
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>>                                        Patterns have no independent, inherent existence. ---
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
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>> 
>> p.s.  Consider this explanation in the same category as "pure experience" where 'pure' doesn't mean 'pure' but merely 'relatively pure' and there are no accusations of some horrendous, unspeakable, anti-intellectual crime against definition. 
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>>> 12 maj 2013 x kl. 23.46 skrev MarshaV:
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>>>> 
>>>> J-A,
>>>> 
>>>> Answer the Y/N questions yourself; I am not interested in doing so.  It's your thought experiment, so explain its point.   What are you thinking?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Dear Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my questions with YES or NO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is the clay burned to make it firm?  Y/N
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does that make it better and more useful?  Y/N
>>>>> 
>>>>> J-A
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or teapots or 'saving time'.   Before (when soft and malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing.  In other words, both before and after the firing, the clay or teapot  is ever-changing.  So once again I suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an introspective look:  
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>> I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a contradiction to understand that patterns may maintain a static, stable identity at the same time as they and their context are undergoing constant change. Think of the Ship of Theseus, or a parade (Hume) where everyone drops out but is replaced so that the parade is maintained, or the body with its cells constantly being replaced.  Things can change - flow - and yet have permanence; think of a river.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV:
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment clear I will consider it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well Marsha
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern changes into another, OK?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> J-A
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What potter?  -  It's your thought experiment and I don't understand it's point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because it makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter because it is still in a state of change?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> snip...
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