[MD] relatively static
Jan Anders Andersson
jananderses at telia.com
Mon May 13 03:10:42 PDT 2013
Dear Marsha
What do you like the writings of Robert M Pirsig?
J A
13 maj 2013 x kl. 11.05 skrev MarshaV:
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> J-A,
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> What she?
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>
> Marsha
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> On May 13, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
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>> So did you like the pattern she created?
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>> J A
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>> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 10.28 skrev MarshaV:
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>>>
>>> J-A,
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>>> Would you now like to lecture me on how you have achieved a similar performance of beauty, harmony, balance, and how I could too if only I listen to your wise words?
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>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote:
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>>> How about this
>>>
>>> http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shida.htm#.UZCXf3DEjcU
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>>> J A
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>>> Greetings J-A,
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>>> On May 13, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote:
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>>>> Dear Marsha
>>>>
>>>> I think you are interested to know its point.
>>>
>>> Is it your habit (pattern) to think you KNOW other people's interests? That's a rather grandiose claim. - Make your point!
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's my mundane point:
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>>>
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>>> --- Static patterns of value are repetitive processes (multiple events),
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>>> conditionally co-dependent,
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>>> impermanent,
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>>> and ever-changing,
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>>> that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern.
>>>
>>> Within the MoQ,
>>>
>>> these patterns are morally categorized into a four-level, evolutionary,
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>>> hierarchical
>>> structure:
>>> intellectual,
>>> social,
>>> biological,
>>> and inorganic.
>>>
>>> Static quality exists in stable patterns relative to other patterns.
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>>> Patterns have no independent, inherent existence. ---
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> p.s. Consider this explanation in the same category as "pure experience" where 'pure' doesn't mean 'pure' but merely 'relatively pure' and there are no accusations of some horrendous, unspeakable, anti-intellectual crime against definition.
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>>>> 12 maj 2013 x kl. 23.46 skrev MarshaV:
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>>>>>
>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>
>>>>> Answer the Y/N questions yourself; I am not interested in doing so. It's your thought experiment, so explain its point. What are you thinking?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 12, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Marsha
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my questions with YES or NO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the clay burned to make it firm? Y/N
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does that make it better and more useful? Y/N
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J-A
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing. In other words, both before and after the firing, the clay or teapot is ever-changing. So once again I suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an introspective look:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>>> I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a contradiction to understand that patterns may maintain a static, stable identity at the same time as they and their context are undergoing constant change. Think of the Ship of Theseus, or a parade (Hume) where everyone drops out but is replaced so that the parade is maintained, or the body with its cells constantly being replaced. Things can change - flow - and yet have permanence; think of a river.
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>>>>>> 11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment clear I will consider it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well Marsha
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern changes into another, OK?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> J-A
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV:
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What potter? - It's your thought experiment and I don't understand it's point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because it makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter because it is still in a state of change?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> snip...
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>>>
>>>
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