[MD] relatively static

MarshaV valkyr at att.net
Mon May 13 03:25:10 PDT 2013 

J-A,

There never was a point, was there?  And now another pointless question?  

Mu!  


Marsha
 


On May 13, 2013, at 6:10 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:

> Dear Marsha
> 
> What do you like the writings of Robert M Pirsig?
> 
> J A
> 
> 
> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 11.05 skrev MarshaV:
> 
>> 
>> J-A,
>> 
>> What she?   
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 13, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> So did you like the pattern she created?
>>> 
>>> J A
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 10.28 skrev MarshaV:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> J-A,
>>>> 
>>>> Would you now like to lecture me on how you have achieved a similar performance of beauty, harmony, balance, and how I could too if only I listen to your wise words?    
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 13, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> How about this
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shida.htm#.UZCXf3DEjcU
>>>> 
>>>> J A
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings J-A,
>>>> 
>>>> On May 13, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Marsha 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think you are interested to know its point.
>>>> 
>>>> Is it your habit (pattern) to think you KNOW other people's interests?  That's a rather grandiose claim.  -  Make your point!   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Here's my mundane point:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --- Static patterns of value are repetitive processes (multiple events), 
>>>> 
>>>>         conditionally co-dependent, 
>>>> 
>>>>                      impermanent, 
>>>> 
>>>>                                   and ever-changing, 
>>>> 
>>>> that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern.  
>>>> 
>>>> Within the MoQ, 
>>>> 
>>>>     these patterns are morally categorized into a four-level, evolutionary, 
>>>> 
>>>>      hierarchical  
>>>>                         structure:  
>>>>                                         intellectual, 
>>>>                                                            social, 
>>>>                                                                       biological, 
>>>>                                                                                        and inorganic. 
>>>> 
>>>> Static quality exists in stable patterns relative to other patterns.  
>>>> 
>>>>                                      Patterns have no independent, inherent existence. ---
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> p.s.  Consider this explanation in the same category as "pure experience" where 'pure' doesn't mean 'pure' but merely 'relatively pure' and there are no accusations of some horrendous, unspeakable, anti-intellectual crime against definition. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 12 maj 2013 x kl. 23.46 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Answer the Y/N questions yourself; I am not interested in doing so.  It's your thought experiment, so explain its point.   What are you thinking?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 12, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear Marsha
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my questions with YES or NO.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is the clay burned to make it firm?  Y/N
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Does that make it better and more useful?  Y/N
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> J-A
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or teapots or 'saving time'.   Before (when soft and malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing.  In other words, both before and after the firing, the clay or teapot  is ever-changing.  So once again I suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an introspective look:  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>>>> I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a contradiction to understand that patterns may maintain a static, stable identity at the same time as they and their context are undergoing constant change. Think of the Ship of Theseus, or a parade (Hume) where everyone drops out but is replaced so that the parade is maintained, or the body with its cells constantly being replaced.  Things can change - flow - and yet have permanence; think of a river.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment clear I will consider it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Well Marsha
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern changes into another, OK?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> J-A
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What potter?  -  It's your thought experiment and I don't understand it's point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because it makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter because it is still in a state of change?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> snip...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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