[MD] relatively static
Jan Anders Andersson
jananderses at telia.com
Mon May 13 03:37:40 PDT 2013
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Dear Marsha
Of course there is a point. Are you able to agree in any point? Y/N
J A
13 maj 2013 x kl. 12.25 skrev MarshaV:
>
> J-A,
>
> There never was a point, was there? And now another pointless question?
>
> Mu!
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> On May 13, 2013, at 6:10 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Marsha
>>
>> What do you like the writings of Robert M Pirsig?
>>
>> J A
>>
>>
>> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 11.05 skrev MarshaV:
>>
>>>
>>> J-A,
>>>
>>> What she?
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So did you like the pattern she created?
>>>>
>>>> J A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 10.28 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you now like to lecture me on how you have achieved a similar performance of beauty, harmony, balance, and how I could too if only I listen to your wise words?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 13, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How about this
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shida.htm#.UZCXf3DEjcU
>>>>>
>>>>> J A
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings J-A,
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 13, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Marsha
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you are interested to know its point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it your habit (pattern) to think you KNOW other people's interests? That's a rather grandiose claim. - Make your point!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's my mundane point:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Static patterns of value are repetitive processes (multiple events),
>>>>>
>>>>> conditionally co-dependent,
>>>>>
>>>>> impermanent,
>>>>>
>>>>> and ever-changing,
>>>>>
>>>>> that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern.
>>>>>
>>>>> Within the MoQ,
>>>>>
>>>>> these patterns are morally categorized into a four-level, evolutionary,
>>>>>
>>>>> hierarchical
>>>>> structure:
>>>>> intellectual,
>>>>> social,
>>>>> biological,
>>>>> and inorganic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Static quality exists in stable patterns relative to other patterns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patterns have no independent, inherent existence. ---
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s. Consider this explanation in the same category as "pure experience" where 'pure' doesn't mean 'pure' but merely 'relatively pure' and there are no accusations of some horrendous, unspeakable, anti-intellectual crime against definition.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 12 maj 2013 x kl. 23.46 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Answer the Y/N questions yourself; I am not interested in doing so. It's your thought experiment, so explain its point. What are you thinking?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 12, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Marsha
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my questions with YES or NO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is the clay burned to make it firm? Y/N
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does that make it better and more useful? Y/N
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> J-A
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing. In other words, both before and after the firing, the clay or teapot is ever-changing. So once again I suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an introspective look:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>>>>> I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a contradiction to understand that patterns may maintain a static, stable identity at the same time as they and their context are undergoing constant change. Think of the Ship of Theseus, or a parade (Hume) where everyone drops out but is replaced so that the parade is maintained, or the body with its cells constantly being replaced. Things can change - flow - and yet have permanence; think of a river.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment clear I will consider it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well Marsha
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern changes into another, OK?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> J-A
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What potter? - It's your thought experiment and I don't understand it's point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because it makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter because it is still in a state of change?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> snip...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ___
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