[MD] relatively static

[MarshaV]

J-A,

Still no point to present?  I'm not surprised.  You seem to confirm and demonstrate dmb's pragmatism, that truth is whatever is best for you to believe.  Sigh.   

J-A quotes RMP:  "Life can't exist on Dynamic Quality alone. It has no staying power. To cling to Dynamic Quality alone apart from any static patterns is to cling to chaos."

I agree.

And rather than Socrates' d i a l e c t i c s, I prefer his statement "What I do not know I do not think I know.   


Marsha 



On May 14, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:

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> Dear Marsha
> 
> Sorry for that. You seem to confirm dmb thesis that you're rigidly anti-intellectual which makes it impossible to maintain a useful dialogue at this forum.
> RMP:  "Life can't exist on Dynamic Quality alone. It has no staying power. To cling to Dynamic Quality alone apart from any static patterns is to cling to chaos."
> 
> Please, do not forget to burn the clay before you sell it.
> 
> Jan-Anders
> 
> 
> 14 maj 2013 x kl. 11.10 skrev MarshaV:
> 
>> 
>> J-A,
>> 
>> You would like to restrict me to the the either/or, yes/no dichotomy of the Flatlander's language?   No thanks.  Closed-ended questions make me sneeze.  In Flatland the tendency is to label a pattern, then give that label a definition, then take the pattern to actually be the labeled definition.  That's reification and a very superficial understanding.  
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> p.s.  Get someone else to play the role of Alcibiades.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 13, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>> 
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>>> Dear Marsha
>>> 
>>> Of course there is a point. Are you able to agree in any point? Y/N
>>> 
>>> J A
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 12.25 skrev MarshaV:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> J-A,
>>>> 
>>>> There never was a point, was there?  And now another pointless question?  
>>>> 
>>>> Mu!  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 13, 2013, at 6:10 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> What do you like the writings of Robert M Pirsig?
>>>>> 
>>>>> J A
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 11.05 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What she?   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 13, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So did you like the pattern she created?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> J A
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 10.28 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Would you now like to lecture me on how you have achieved a similar performance of beauty, harmony, balance, and how I could too if only I listen to your wise words?    
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 13, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How about this
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shida.htm#.UZCXf3DEjcU
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> J A
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Greetings J-A,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 13, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dear Marsha 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think you are interested to know its point.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is it your habit (pattern) to think you KNOW other people's interests?  That's a rather grandiose claim.  -  Make your point!   
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Here's my mundane point:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --- Static patterns of value are repetitive processes (multiple events), 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  conditionally co-dependent, 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>               impermanent, 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>                            and ever-changing, 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern.  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Within the MoQ, 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> these patterns are morally categorized into a four-level, evolutionary, 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> hierarchical  
>>>>>>>>                  structure:  
>>>>>>>>                                  intellectual, 
>>>>>>>>                                                     social, 
>>>>>>>>                                                                biological, 
>>>>>>>>                                                                                 and inorganic. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Static quality exists in stable patterns relative to other patterns.  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>                               Patterns have no independent, inherent existence. ---
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> p.s.  Consider this explanation in the same category as "pure experience" where 'pure' doesn't mean 'pure' but merely 'relatively pure' and there are no accusations of some horrendous, unspeakable, anti-intellectual crime against definition. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> snip... 




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