[MD] self-object patterning

[MarshaV]

Hi J-A,

> On Oct 1, 2013, at 4:42 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
> 

> Marsha:
> I understand it to be the Buddhist (imho) view that the self-object (dualistic) point-of-view is perpetuated in two ways.  One is as acquired through learning, from family, friends and teachers, an informal system of philosophy or psychology - culture - that teaches that the person exists as an independent being and so do objects in the world exist as independent "stuff".  Through coming into contact with this type of education - mistaken view of life - we learn it and believe it as correct.  The second self-object (dualistic) point-of-view is innate and has been with us since the beginning of time.  It has travelled with human beings through our evolution and has become a part of how our consciousness (?brain?) has become a patterned function: the known and knower.  It is not easy and quite unnatural to overturn this conditioning.  
> 
> All static patterns of value have been molded by this conditioning. 

Jan-Anders:
Even Buddhism though...

Marsha:
Yes, over 2,500 years of static quality devoted to the wisdom and insight of stamping out ignorance and (self-inflicted) suffering.  But it's tricky separating the cultural stuff from the deep wisdom, and I suppose why the Buddha and all the great ones say "Don't believe me.  Find out for yourself."  Introspective, investigative practices are offered so that you might, indeed, see for yourself.  When directly experienced that good is a great energy that is realized as one realizes the tea is hot when one is drinking it.  It is a Great Goodness.

I am not opposed to static quality, intellectual or "objective", but think, like RMP, that it should be subdued under the tutelage of the Good.  

Marsha