[MD] Static patterns are ever-changing?!? i

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

You are so confused , Marsha.The monkey mind is yours;you do not understand
what Pirsig wrote or what Dmb is writing.
You even fail on basic language terminology.
somebody should boot you off the forum, really.

Dm has a legitimate point,it does not belong on top of the pyramid, but it
surely is part of the foundation of it.
Troll








2013/10/4 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>

>
> dmb,
>
> You have never explained how differentiated (smells, sounds, tastes,
> visions, and feelings) could possibly be Dynamic Quality, the
> undifferentiated.  And you are not explaining it now, and neither are the
> mismatched quotes you've thrown at the issue.  Discerning this or that
> perception comes later and is static.  Re-cognized experience is always
> static.  Change, time, space, smells, sounds, tastes, visions, and feelings
> are static patterns.   Dynamic Quality is undifferentiated, "not this, not
> that", not smells, sounds, tastes, visions, or feelings.  Direct awareness
> of static patterns of (perceived, without accompanying concepts/language)
> value is a state of mindfulness, not Dynamic Quality, and not Nirvana.
>
> You should learn to turn off the monkey mind.  To do just that is a big
> deal, but not the ultimate experience of Dynamic Quality.  Imho.
>
> Find out for yourself.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2013, at 5:50 PM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > It's been a while, but I have addressed this question (about
> pre-conceputal experience) many, many times. No matter how hard I try, the
> answers never satisfy and the question comes back around again.
> >
> > Over a year ago, 8th of July, 2012,  Marsha asked:
> > How can Dynamic Quality or 'pure experience', which is undifferentiated,
> include perceptions which are differentiated?
> >
> >
> > Sigh. I'd really rather not go through it all again, especially with
> these guys. There's no way they're going to understand it.   But here are a
> few thoughts for you to ponder...
> >
> > On Jul 7, 2012, at 3:43 PM, david buchanan quoted:
> >
> > “When Zen teachers introduce students to nirvana (which the MOQ
> translates as the world of pure undifferentiated value) they do not do so
> with books and thesis. They sit the students in a room until their clutter
> of intellectual knowledge is abandoned (especially values judgments!) and
> the pure vision of the newborn infant is regained” (McWatt 2004, 83).
> >
> >
> > "Only new-born babes, or men in semi-coma from sleep, drugs, illnesses,
> or blows, may be assumed to have an experience pure in the literal sense of
> that which is not yet any definite what, tho ready to be all sorts of
> whats; full both of oneness and of manyness, but in respects that don't
> appear; changing throughout, yet so confusedly that its phases
> interpenetrate and no points, either of distinction or ofidentity, can be
> caught. Pure experience in this state is but another name for feeling or
> sensation. But the flux of it no sooner comes than it tends to fill itself
> with emphases, and these salient parts become identified and fixed and
> abstracted; so that experience now flows as if shot through with adjectives
> and nouns and prepositions and conjunctions. Its purity is only a relative
> term, meaning the proportional amount of unverbalized sensation which it
> still embodies." - William James - Essays in Radical Empiricism.
> >
> >
> > " 'There must always be a discrepancy between concepts and reality,
> because the former are static and discontinuous while the latter is dynamic
> and flowing.' Here James had chosen exactly the same words Phaedrus had
> used for the basic subdivision of the Metaphysics of Quality." Pirsig
> >
> >
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