[MD] Fwd: Re: Static Patterns Rock!

[David Morey]

Hi Ron

Yes pretty much so,  you cannot really express what a banana tastes like but you know what is or is not a banana taste,  so there is identity and pattern,  science of course loves to measure, we can all share experiences of measuring things and agree measurements,  this is far from full experience in all its DQ richness but getting at such regularities allow us to do science,  science grounded in experience.  

DM

X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:

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>[Ron]
>...you seem to insist on the primacy of an external
>independent prime creator of pattern that human concepts correspond to and mirror when
>the Pragmatic assertion is the primacy of human imposition on experience.
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>DM: No I insist there are differences and patterns in primary experience, this is a key latch to get reason going,  only when we conceptualise and try to understand experience do we think about things,  how they come and go and evolve do we postulate the good idea of the world as transcending ordinary experience,  I keep saying this,  but you may be misled by DMB's endless false assertions about what I am saying. The pre-conceptual patterns I recognise are found in experience, and do not need concepts to be experienced,  but obviously to discuss or make sense of these we need concepts and these are unavoidable in culture but all built on the percepts of experience.  For me primary experience is dynamic and static not just dynamic,  simple idea really,  sure DQ dominates,  may be prior to the SQ-DQ mix,  but for any complex experience to get going we need both,  and concepts and language come later.  
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>I see, it is about context. From one perspective, to be, to exist to experience is to conceptualize and
>in this perspective pure pre-conceptual experience is mystic and unknowable.
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>Then there is pre-conceptual in terms of pre-reflection, patterned and knowable but inexpressable in language.
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>You are not talking about the same thing.
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