[MD] Proposed Wiki definiton of SOM

[John Carl]

I hope so!

what improvements exactly do you suggest? (besides emphasizing "our"
reality?)

And isn't the similarity of understanding for the philosophical term
significant?

J


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 2:46 AM, Ian Glendinning
<ian.glendinning at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi John,
> Ah, that would explain "nuanced" - written by a committee.
> Could do better.
> Ian
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:21 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Ian,
> >
> > To be perfectly honest, I snagged the definition from Wiki on
> Philosophical
> > Realism
> >  and substituted SOM for the term everywhere it appeared in the wiki
> > article.  My aim, as you can imagine, was to get some feedback on the
> idea
> > that SOM and Philosophical Realism are one and the same.
> >
> > Are they?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Ian Glendinning <
> ian.glendinning at gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi John, I think that's a little too "nuanced". Not wrong just need
> >> something snappier before all the qualified examples.
> >>
> >> For example, first sentence - the "our" is so much more important than
> >> "reality".
> >>
> >> Great start though. Lets work on a definitive sentence - says the man
> who
> >> abhors definitions :-)
> >> Ian
> >> On 27 Jan 2014 18:23, "John Carl" <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > SOM is the belief that our reality, or some aspect of it, is
> >> ontologically
> >> > independent of our conceptual schemes, perceptions, linguistic
> practices,
> >> > beliefs, etc.
> >> >
> >> > SOM may be spoken of with respect to other minds, the past, the
> future,
> >> > universals, mathematical entities (such as natural numbers), moral
> >> > categories, the material world, and thought.
> >> >
> >> > SOM is promoted in an unqualified sense, in that it asserts the
> >> > mind-independent existence of a visible world, as opposed to
> skepticism
> >> and
> >> > solipsism. Philosophers who profess SOM state that truth consists in
> the
> >> > mind's correspondence to reality.
> >> >
> >> > SOMists tend to believe that whatever we believe now is only an
> >> > approximation of reality and that every new observation brings us
> closer
> >> to
> >> > understanding reality.  In its Kantian sense, SOM is contrasted with
> >> > idealism. In a contemporary sense, SOM is contrasted with the MoQ
> >> primarily
> >> > in the philosophy of science.
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