[MD] Proposed Wiki definiton of SOM

[Ian Glendinning]

Hi John,
Ah, that would explain "nuanced" - written by a committee.
Could do better.
Ian

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:21 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Ian,
>
> To be perfectly honest, I snagged the definition from Wiki on Philosophical
> Realism
>  and substituted SOM for the term everywhere it appeared in the wiki
> article.  My aim, as you can imagine, was to get some feedback on the idea
> that SOM and Philosophical Realism are one and the same.
>
> Are they?
>
> John
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Ian Glendinning <ian.glendinning at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi John, I think that's a little too "nuanced". Not wrong just need
>> something snappier before all the qualified examples.
>>
>> For example, first sentence - the "our" is so much more important than
>> "reality".
>>
>> Great start though. Lets work on a definitive sentence - says the man who
>> abhors definitions :-)
>> Ian
>> On 27 Jan 2014 18:23, "John Carl" <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > SOM is the belief that our reality, or some aspect of it, is
>> ontologically
>> > independent of our conceptual schemes, perceptions, linguistic practices,
>> > beliefs, etc.
>> >
>> > SOM may be spoken of with respect to other minds, the past, the future,
>> > universals, mathematical entities (such as natural numbers), moral
>> > categories, the material world, and thought.
>> >
>> > SOM is promoted in an unqualified sense, in that it asserts the
>> > mind-independent existence of a visible world, as opposed to skepticism
>> and
>> > solipsism. Philosophers who profess SOM state that truth consists in the
>> > mind's correspondence to reality.
>> >
>> > SOMists tend to believe that whatever we believe now is only an
>> > approximation of reality and that every new observation brings us closer
>> to
>> > understanding reality.  In its Kantian sense, SOM is contrasted with
>> > idealism. In a contemporary sense, SOM is contrasted with the MoQ
>> primarily
>> > in the philosophy of science.
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