[MD] Anti-intellectualism revisited

[Jan Anders Andersson]

Dear John

Maybe you should rather go and get a fish license for your pet halibut.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnq96W9jtuw 
But I ain't that mean, I prefer to try to find a constructive way. I don't think you are so stupid.

I have followed your appearance here for a while. It is quite obvious to me that you don't use your own brain rationally. You seem to be stuck by the outer fields of your automatic thinking, called "System 1" by Daniel Kahneman. You seem to be convinced that you see everything there is to see.

To reach yor own mind and get your "System 2" started I'd suggest some excercises. (Yes, I know that if things like this spread, it will in the end start a couple of religious sects, but most of them looney and lonely people would do something stupid like that anyway)

1. Stop using any kind of drugs. Stop kidding people around you. Don't fool yourself. 

2. Take just any object into your hand and hold your attention to it for some minutes. Not too long because you may drop it.

3. Notice its weight, its size and the power you must use to hold it.

4. When you can do that, redirect your attention to its form, long or round, squared or thin, what material it is made of etc.

5. Go back to # 3 and notice the freedom and independence between the conditions for size and form.

6. When you can do that it is time to think about what you might be able to use it for. How can it possibly be applied? What skills are neccessary and so on. Who's going to pay for the work? When is the right time for it?

7. Go back to # 3 again and go through it again till you loose focus and get enough for today.

8. Repeat this little excercise once a day. (and try to avoid starting a religious sect called "The Holy Forklifters" will you, please.)

You see, by this little excercise you soon will be well experienced and aware of how DQ is at least divided in three. You can't do anything against that, but you might be able to use it wherever it's handy. Motorcycle maintenance, writing good contributions to MD or applying for a space at the local funny farm.

Dont forget to read Lila once again.

Best wishes

Jan-Anders


3 jun 2014 x kl. 21.56 skrev John Carl:

> Hey Jan Anders,
> 
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com
>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ron, and this is also for John
>> 
>> In a MOQ view, the intellectual level carries concepts that are dependent
>> of the social level
> 
> 
> 
> Jc:  You mean "independent" don't you?  It's an important distinction!  The
> 4th level IS above the 3rd, but is it independent?  Not completely.
> Nothing is completely independent of anything, not even self and reality,
> eh?
> 
> J-A:
> 
> 
>> to be expressed but using the social level for its own purposes.
> 
> 
> 
> Jc:  This is why I think "own purposes" is weak.  Every level depends upon
> all lower levels, for existential being.  Biology is made of inorganic
> elements and social patterns composed of the needs of biological beings and
> intellect as the critic of social pattenrs, also itself evolved out of
> social patterns so the levels are at least as interdependent as they are
> distinct.
> 
> J-A:
> 
> 
> 
>> Concepts are not dependant on individuals, names and words, formulas and
>> just any intellectual pattern can be expressed by any individual.
> 
> 
> 
> Jc:  You say what they are "not" dependent upon.  But what they ARE
> dependent upon is the biggest question of all.  I can only think, DQ!  But
> it seems our artistic side is more tuned to DQ than any other.
> 
> J-A:
> 
> 
>> Rights or wrongs, good and bad ideas, all can be carried by anyone. People
>> die but good ideas get older than vampires.
>> 
>> 
> Jc:  Plato as vampire?   ... interesting thought there.
> 
> 
> J-A:
> 
> 
>> Philosophy, Math, Economy, Rhetoric, MD are some of the tools we use to
>> maintain this level.
>> 
>> The meaning of any example of intellectual art is based upon a balance in
>> three aspects; dignity, form and expression.
>> 
>> Jan-Anders
>> 
>> 
> Jc:  Hmm, I don't know about that, J-A.  First of all, dignity is in form
> and expression or its nothing at all, eh?  And second, it's real important
> to remember that intellect is not in service of intellect.  Intellectual
> patterns are always about the improvement of social patterns.  Just as
> social patterns are all about gathering biological.  So while the 4th is
> above the 3rd, it craves the betterness of 3rd level pattens, more than its
> own being.  Self-crucifying metaphysics = new life.  Intellectual art is
> based upon persuasion towards betterness.
> 
> Idealism Uber alles!
> 
> John C
> 
> 
> -- 
> "finite players
> play within boundaries.
> Infinite players
> play *with* boundaries."
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