[MD] Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 119, Issue 6
daneglover at gmail.com
Sat Oct 31 22:49:58 PDT 2015
Not to worry about our discussion, John. If you get back to it, fine.
If not, that's fine too. Me, I've got all these voices inside my head
trying to get out. Or are they outside my head trying to get in?
Hmm... quandary, that. One I'll have to ponder on a bit. Fences...
maybe that's the answer... build bigger fences...
I just ordered Bird by Bird, a book you suggested some time back.
Should be here in the next week or so. Oh... and today the postman
brought me a volume of collected poems by Derek Walcott. Paid all of 4
cents for it. Of course shipping was another $3.99 but still a
bargain, in my opinion. Yeah... a real book... one that won't break
when I fall asleep reading and it tumbles out of bed or if my cat gets
sick of it sitting on the nightstand and knocks it onto the floor as
he's prone to do from time to time.
Anyway... where was I? Oh... the discussion...
Yeah, each day I open my Gmail inbox devoted solely to the MOQ and it
is empty. Is it just a lull? Or did everyone simply get tired of the
discussions we used to have here? There are times when I grow fearful
that I've somehow been deleted from the MOQ mailing list but when I
rush to check the archives, no. No messages there either.
I'm afraid I'm not much of a Facebook person, other than to hitting
the like button now and again. But maybe you have a point. To me,
though, the entire atmosphere isn't all that conducive to intellectual
discussions. Sure, Facebook is great for showing folk what you had for
breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and yeah, the political rants have their
place. And it's always good to find out Willie Nelson died again.
Like you say, people here don't wanna talk to you anymore. Don't feel
alone in that regard, though. They rarely have anything to say to me
either. I always put that off to me being a lowbrow among intellectual
giants... sorta like a fig tree that ran into the Redwood forest to
hide from Newton and got lost. Maybe that's a poor analogy but analogy
is all I got... right?
So stiff upper lip and all that, John. Write when you're able.
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 3:14 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> Originally I'd hoped the lilasquad would explore the more romantic
> side of the MOQ and thus allow the MD to be the analytic side, but
> that hasn't happened. In fact, both lists are pretty quiet these
> days, at least in terms of the sharings of diverse persons. Lilasquad
> has devolved to just me and Tuukka, and lately only Tuk! MD is
> mostly observed from the sidelines by ghosts that have nothing more to
> say. I have a lot to say, but I seem to be all bottled up inside and
> have had difficulty even with responding to Dan who is one of the few
> MoQists that will still engage with me. Is it the Facebook culture
> now satisfies all our online social needs and so we don't feel the
> drive to communicate like we used to? Or maybe its just that
> communities, like persons, have a finite life - they are born, they
> grow up, they mature and they eventually die. If that is so, welcome
> to the requiem. Compose your own response to that fact with care, and
> share it with us.
> On 10/27/15, Ron Kulp <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>> First welcome to the discuss. Second , yes, you are going to find those
>> types of discussions at the Lilasquad site.
>> Here, however we like to follow the tradition of Pragmatism for the most
>> part. There are a few members who are involved in the Academic side of
>> philosophy and I for one am glad they contribute.
>> The conversation usually involves the traditional problems of philosophy and
>> the push against Platonism as it exists in modern western culture and the
>> struggle with current trends of anti-intellectualism.
>> Relativism was a major hurdle this forum recently emerged from.
>> Topics have ranged from Ancient Greek philosophy to pedagogy.
>> I myself have benefited immensely
>> From reading the essential works of Plato to gain a basic context of the
>> philosophic problems Robert Pirsig is addressing in his books.
>> That's about as condensed as I can get given the time I have at the moment
>> but welcome aboard!
>>> On Oct 26, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Austin Fatheree <austin.fatheree at gmail.com>
>>> So can any one give a cliffs notes version of where discussion of the MOQ
>>> is at the current time? I've tried reading some of the posts on LilaSquad
>>> and I've clearly missed something as most of them are about religion and
>>> some strange kind of AI that has inscrutable arrays of mystic sounding
>>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 2:02 PM, <moq_discuss-request at lists.moqtalk.org>
>>>> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:58:54 -0600
>>>> From: Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>
>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Pirsig, Chris Alexander, and E. Yudkowsky walk
>>>> a bar...
>>>> nwSrdWdfFYU6XXRL_Qg8_qxkya-5nSQ at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>> Hello Austin,
>>>> Great to have you with us! So you've read Lila and Lila's Child... you
>>>> come prepared, I see. Speaking of Nassim Taleb and his work on black
>>>> swan events (not to mention his bartending skills), Lila's Child fits
>>>> the bill, at least in my own personal experience. There was no way I
>>>> could reasonably expect what happened based on past experiences. The
>>>> effect of Lila's Child is still resonating with me, like a gigantic
>>>> bell that once rung has yet to dissipate... the chime only grows
>>>> louder and more insistent. And of course looking back I tell myself
>>>> how the entire process was bound to happen due to the preconditions
>>>> set in place.
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