[MD] What the MOQ community can learn from the rise of the neoliberals

[david]

djh said: ... I’m pretty sure you don’t mean exactly what’s written here either - but can you explain to be sure? -->“I’m pretty sure it’s because everybody knows on some level that they have been screwed by neoliberalism.”


dmb replies:  I mean to say that the US election season exposed a revolt against neoliberalism, and it doesn't matter if those revolutionaries ever heard the word "neo-liberalism" or not. They just know it ain't working for 'em and they're tired of bullshit promises. Plain and simple. It really is true on that level too. But then along comes the demagogue to tell 'em it ain't working 'cause of Mexicans and the Chinese. But he's kinda right about the trade deals, which is neoliberalism. He was right to shame Hillary for her cozy relations with Wall Street, which is neoliberalism. But the gold-plated billionaire is not the champion of the working man, of course. That's a ridiculous con job but he pulled it off. They been had, they got got, hoodwinked and swindled.

And we'll all pay the price. Orange Hitler will be in charge of the U.S. military, nukes and all. Even worse? Almost half of the US population is just fine with that.


Sigh.



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djh wrote:
The MOQ has little to say directly about the allocation of capital.




dmb wrote:
As I read the political world, neoliberalism took center stage with Thatcher and Reagan and every American President since then has embraced neoliberalism. This perspective is also known as free-market economics, trickle down economics, supply side economics, right-wing libertarian economics and other such terms. The basic idea is to acknowledge the social problems that socialism aims to solve (poverty, inequality, injustice) but to address these concerns with "free-market" solutions. You see this in the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. ObamaCare. The GOP has fought it every step of the way and still plan to repeal it but the plan was developed at the Heritage Foundation back in the '90s, a conservative, free-market "think tank", and was offered by the GOP back then as an alternative to a New Deal type of single payer, government run medical insurance program. And that's what neo-liberalism has been doing for the past 40 years or so, dismantling and preventing New Deal Liberalism.
That's what Bernie Sanders was selling, New Deal Liberalism, that quasi-socialist democratic socialism of the '30s, '40s, '50s, and '60s. And it was a very popular message, as we all saw, and I'm pretty sure it's because everybody knows on some level that they have been screwed by neoliberalism. That's also why Trump won the election, I think. Bernie and Trump are two very different answers to the same question and that question is "how can we get rid of neoliberals like the Clintons, like the Bushes, like Reagan and Obama?" Bernie was the intellectual level option (socialism) and Trump was the social values option (fascism).





djh reponds:

Nary a word here I disagree with.  By directly I mean to say that the MOQ is a new Metaphysical language.  A language which can indeed be used to say the above and which is unrivalled in its Metaphysics eloquence saying so - but a language that can say all sorts of things (however well or poorly) nonetheless.


RMP’s biggest regret is that the MOQ can be mistaken as the answer to all things. Indeed it is easy to presume that the MOQ is directly saying the above. It isn’t - it’s just a new language that can help us make a whole bunch of things more clear and enables us to discuss things which were previously near impossible to discuss (Or if they were possible libraries worth of books to ensure we’re on the same page).


Perhaps this original line of mine required the above clarification.  I’m sure you already know that I agreed with what you wrote above.  Same goes for your sentence below which also requires some clarification.  I’m pretty sure you don’t mean exactly what’s written here either - but can you explain to be sure?


“I’m pretty sure it’s because everybody knows on some level that they have been screwed by neoliberalism.”


Thanks,


djh.
goodmetaphysics.com


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