[MD] Why does Pirsig write everybody's right about mind and matter although his theses imply the opposite?

[John Carl]

Horse,

"the list" Tuk and I are on is just Tuk and I so it can't  really be called
a list I don't think.  And I'm pretty sure neither of us have much of an
agenda at all other than to expand our personal understanding of the MoQ
and how it relates to the rest of intellectual life.  That's a big enough
agenda to keep anybody busy for three lifetimes so don't worry.

I think that an important part of the spirit of philosophy, is being able
to drop the preconceptions that drag you down and the value in raising up
the importance of immediate experience is letting go of past experience,
no?

So I'm trying.

very trying... lol

John



On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:

> Hi Dan and all
> I thought that may have been why you went quiet Dan - also why Dave seems
> to have dropped out. It would appear that Tuuk is less interested in having
> a conversation and prefers a confrontation, foisting a particular point of
> view on everyone around him. Tuuk and John also have an agenda which
> includes 'revitalising' MD in order that the other list they occupy has
> something to react against - which might explain the confrontational
> approach they're currently adopting.
> The problem with Tuuk 's confrontational approach is that after a while
> others (yourself, David, Ron etc.) get frustrated and then bored with
> continually going over the same arguments because his heels are dug in and
> he is incapable of understanding that he may have erred in his initial
> premise or premises and is incapable of backtracking. We've seen this a
> number of times in the past and, as said, why would we wish to waste
> precious time on someone who has no interest in listening. A shame really
> as Tuuk is an intelligent guy who may have had something of interest to say
> but his 'people skills' aren't up to much.
> Still, I'm not going to waste any of my own time on it - especially when
> nothing new or useful, with regard to Pirsig's MoQ, is likely to come of it.
> I also don't like being manipulated by others to further their childish
> agendas!
>
> Cheers
>
> Horse
>
>
>
> On 31/10/2016 17:21, Dan Glover wrote:
>
>> Horse, all,
>>
>> Thank you. Yes, I have gone quiet for just that reason. As Dave says,
>> this is a lot of work, at least for me, and when someone digs into a
>> position like Tuk has done here, not only does frustration result but
>> also the sense that I am beating my head against a wall. Meaningful
>> intelligent discussions are a joy but they do take away time that can
>> be better spent elsewhere, which I don't begrudge, mind you, if the
>> discussion is indeed meaningful and intelligent.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Dan
>>
>> http://www.danglover.com
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Tuuk (and John)
>>>
>>> I think what Dave is asking, and is being far too polite about it,unlike
>>> me,
>>> is - are you interested in a meaningful discussion relating to RMP's MoQ
>>> or
>>> is this just another boring wind-up or point scoring exercise.?
>>> We've all wasted far too much time in the past on list members who
>>> misinterpret or fail to understand the MoQ and, given your past record,
>>> this
>>> looks like another of those time-wasting exercises. Dan has gone quiet, I
>>> imagine, for the same reason. Why bother trying to have a meaningful
>>> discussion with someone who is only interested in confusing and/or
>>> misinterpreting and twisting the MoQ for their own purpose and has bugger
>>> all interest in what Pirsig has to say and, additionally, what those who
>>> have a thorough understanding (i.e. a lot better than yours it would
>>> appear)
>>> of Pirsigs work have to say as well?
>>> It's exasperating, time-consuming and more than a little sad when this
>>> happens.
>>>
>>> And, as for the 'Ignoramus or Fraud' bullshit, if you or John want to
>>> come
>>> on here and be deliberately disrespectful and inflammatory then you can
>>> fuck
>>> off back to your own inconsequential little list and talk amongst
>>> yourselves
>>> over there - along with the other nut jobs!
>>>
>>> Are we clear now?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your interest!
>>>
>>> Horse
>>>
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