[MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

Tue Nov 1 23:33:38 PDT 2016

Hi Adrie, all,

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dan used a word not so long ago, that nested itself in my mind.
> I liked the word, the term.I knew it would come in very handy later on.
> The word was beachcombing.Nobody went along with the story he wanted to
> tell,on that moment.
> If properly placed in a philosophical context  it would be a good and
> usefull tool.

Dan:
Lots of times I find it useful to clothe philosophical arguments in
stories. You know, to sort of liven things up a bit. I don't know.
Maybe that's why Robert Pirsig wrote philosophy in the form of novels.
Honestly, to me, a lot of philosophy is so dry I feel as if I am
trekking across a vast arid wasteland and man oh man am I thirsty and
in the distance I keep seeing what I think are large bodies of water
maybe lakes or even oceans only when I get closer I realize the water
I am seeing is only the heat roiling off the land causing a mirage
making me believe that perhaps I am coming to an end, getting closer
to the knowledge I seek. But of course there's no crying in baseball
just like there are no endings in philosophy. Silly me.

I guess I am getting to a point in life where I am old enough to know
better yet still young enough not to give a... So yeah, beachcombing.
The ocean is like something eternal, forever washing up tiny treasures
with each passing day, the tides flowing in and out, the old slowly
giving way to the new, rocks being broken down to sand over the course
of eons, glass worn smooth. And every once in a while comes one of
those big old storms. Like a hurricane. A typhoon. Yeah, I like that
better. Stirring up the sediment long dormant. Forgotten. Languishing
at the bottom like miles deep where nobody sees it.

Philosophy is the same way. Every once in a while someone comes along
and stirs things up. Hurricanes. Typhoons. Cyclones. Oh my. But
mostly, it's the snorers who dominate the spotlight. When a fellow
like Robert Pirsig erupts on the scene, the old timers just ignore
him. No mention whatsoever. Like maybe if they just keep on snoring
then nobody'll notice how the same old same old just keeps rolling in
and out of academia and they can keep on teaching their dull and dry
philosophy 101 read this and conform to that and besides, Pirsig's a
madman anyhow. He even said so.

Beachcombing. That's what I do, if only metaphorically for now. But
there are times when I get to thinking how if there is a purpose in
life a purpose to life and I'm not saying there is, but if there is,
maybe beachcombing wouldn't be all that bad. Not a terrible thing to
devote oneself to. Get me a little place close to the beach because
well I don't have enough money to live on the beach and maybe find me
a Padma to read over my stuff, you know, someone to tell me how full
of it I am and not let my head get so big it won't fit through the
doorway.

A fellow can dream, anyhow. Right?

>
> maybe we should be beachcombing Whitehead's work,and comparisons like
> offered on the moq page-(Sneddon),as David is pointing towards.
> I did only read it diagonally and very fast, but it shows promising toughts.
> I do not really oppose to Whitehead because John persists on him,just like
> he did with Royce in a somewhat compulsive manner.
> Maybe we should start beachcombing along this Sneddon thesis.....,but
> this is not the colusseum and we are no gladiators.We should gain
> something out of it.Improvement. betterness.Progress=>=>=>
>
> Dan is very correct if he demands a man needs to know his case,there
> is no case whatsoever without the correct details.It shows itself in remarks
> about reading Northrop/Whitehead in the bowels of the troopship,presenting
> half-quote's
> or admitting like tuuk did, that he did not really read Lila.
>
> The doll is still to be found whilst beachcombing guys,and nobody here
> needs to be a professor.
> But simply stating that the moq is invalid (without reading the work),
> is drooling all over the place.
>
>
> I really wished that Dan would be still talking about his beachcombing,
> and found some dialogue.I like irl grounded story's.They tend to be very
> philosphical.
>
> Adrie
>
>
>
> 2016-11-01 18:51 GMT+01:00 John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>:
>
>> And admittedly, I was trying to get a rise out of y'all.  So at least that
>> worked.  Thanks dmb for the link to the comparison by Sneddon.  Very
>> helpful.
>>
>> jc
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 10:50 AM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > My apologies.  I'm getting old I guess, I thought it was Whitehead but
>> > you're right Andre of course Andre.
>> >
>> >
>> > sheesh, how embarrasing.  I guess we all know who the REAL ignoramus is.
>> >
>> > mea culpa
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Andre Broersen <andrebroersen at gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> John:
>> >> So "ignoramous" non-perjorativel then, but the fact is, he DID at least
>> >> read some AN Whitehead.  Quotes him
>> >> from reading his book on history of philosophy, in the bowels of the
>> >> troopship.
>> >>
>> >> dmb:
>> >> And speaking of fraudulent ignoramuses, nobody around here will be
>> >> surprised if John has tried to slander Pirsig or if has dishonestly
>> tried
>> >> to smuggle in a theistic view. Again. It's like a hobby, I guess. Trolls
>> >> will be trolls.
>> >>
>> >> Andre:
>> >> And not only that but John bases the slander on false claims he invents
>> >> himself. Phaedrus did not read A.N. Whitehead at all in the bowels of
>> the
>> >> troopship! He was reading F.S.C. Northrop ‘ The Meeting of East and
>> West”.
>> >> A simple reference to page 117 of ZMM will suffice (Corgi edition).
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