[MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

Adrie Kintziger parser666 at gmail.com
Wed Nov 2 10:28:44 PDT 2016


I have some family visiting for a day or two, but i will react tomorrow.


2016-11-02 7:33 GMT+01:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:

> Hi Adrie, all,
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Dan used a word not so long ago, that nested itself in my mind.
> > I liked the word, the term.I knew it would come in very handy later on.
> > The word was beachcombing.Nobody went along with the story he wanted to
> > tell,on that moment.
> > If properly placed in a philosophical context  it would be a good and
> > usefull tool.
>
> Dan:
> Lots of times I find it useful to clothe philosophical arguments in
> stories. You know, to sort of liven things up a bit. I don't know.
> Maybe that's why Robert Pirsig wrote philosophy in the form of novels.
> Honestly, to me, a lot of philosophy is so dry I feel as if I am
> trekking across a vast arid wasteland and man oh man am I thirsty and
> in the distance I keep seeing what I think are large bodies of water
> maybe lakes or even oceans only when I get closer I realize the water
> I am seeing is only the heat roiling off the land causing a mirage
> making me believe that perhaps I am coming to an end, getting closer
> to the knowledge I seek. But of course there's no crying in baseball
> just like there are no endings in philosophy. Silly me.
>
> I guess I am getting to a point in life where I am old enough to know
> better yet still young enough not to give a... So yeah, beachcombing.
> The ocean is like something eternal, forever washing up tiny treasures
> with each passing day, the tides flowing in and out, the old slowly
> giving way to the new, rocks being broken down to sand over the course
> of eons, glass worn smooth. And every once in a while comes one of
> those big old storms. Like a hurricane. A typhoon. Yeah, I like that
> better. Stirring up the sediment long dormant. Forgotten. Languishing
> at the bottom like miles deep where nobody sees it.
>
> Philosophy is the same way. Every once in a while someone comes along
> and stirs things up. Hurricanes. Typhoons. Cyclones. Oh my. But
> mostly, it's the snorers who dominate the spotlight. When a fellow
> like Robert Pirsig erupts on the scene, the old timers just ignore
> him. No mention whatsoever. Like maybe if they just keep on snoring
> then nobody'll notice how the same old same old just keeps rolling in
> and out of academia and they can keep on teaching their dull and dry
> philosophy 101 read this and conform to that and besides, Pirsig's a
> madman anyhow. He even said so.
>
> Beachcombing. That's what I do, if only metaphorically for now. But
> there are times when I get to thinking how if there is a purpose in
> life a purpose to life and I'm not saying there is, but if there is,
> maybe beachcombing wouldn't be all that bad. Not a terrible thing to
> devote oneself to. Get me a little place close to the beach because
> well I don't have enough money to live on the beach and maybe find me
> a Padma to read over my stuff, you know, someone to tell me how full
> of it I am and not let my head get so big it won't fit through the
> doorway.
>
> A fellow can dream, anyhow. Right?
>
> >
> > maybe we should be beachcombing Whitehead's work,and comparisons like
> > offered on the moq page-(Sneddon),as David is pointing towards.
> > I did only read it diagonally and very fast, but it shows promising
> toughts.
> > I do not really oppose to Whitehead because John persists on him,just
> like
> > he did with Royce in a somewhat compulsive manner.
> > Maybe we should start beachcombing along this Sneddon thesis.....,but
> > this is not the colusseum and we are no gladiators.We should gain
> > something out of it.Improvement. betterness.Progress=>=>=>
> >
> > Dan is very correct if he demands a man needs to know his case,there
> > is no case whatsoever without the correct details.It shows itself in
> remarks
> > about reading Northrop/Whitehead in the bowels of the
> troopship,presenting
> > half-quote's
> > or admitting like tuuk did, that he did not really read Lila.
> >
> > The doll is still to be found whilst beachcombing guys,and nobody here
> > needs to be a professor.
> > But simply stating that the moq is invalid (without reading the work),
> > is drooling all over the place.
> >
> >
> > I really wished that Dan would be still talking about his beachcombing,
> > and found some dialogue.I like irl grounded story's.They tend to be very
> > philosphical.
> >
> > Adrie
> >
> >
> >
> > 2016-11-01 18:51 GMT+01:00 John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> And admittedly, I was trying to get a rise out of y'all.  So at least
> that
> >> worked.  Thanks dmb for the link to the comparison by Sneddon.  Very
> >> helpful.
> >>
> >> jc
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 10:50 AM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > My apologies.  I'm getting old I guess, I thought it was Whitehead but
> >> > you're right Andre of course Andre.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > sheesh, how embarrasing.  I guess we all know who the REAL ignoramus
> is.
> >> >
> >> > mea culpa
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Andre Broersen <
> andrebroersen at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> John:
> >> >> So "ignoramous" non-perjorativel then, but the fact is, he DID at
> least
> >> >> read some AN Whitehead.  Quotes him
> >> >> from reading his book on history of philosophy, in the bowels of the
> >> >> troopship.
> >> >>
> >> >> dmb:
> >> >> And speaking of fraudulent ignoramuses, nobody around here will be
> >> >> surprised if John has tried to slander Pirsig or if has dishonestly
> >> tried
> >> >> to smuggle in a theistic view. Again. It's like a hobby, I guess.
> Trolls
> >> >> will be trolls.
> >> >>
> >> >> Andre:
> >> >> And not only that but John bases the slander on false claims he
> invents
> >> >> himself. Phaedrus did not read A.N. Whitehead at all in the bowels of
> >> the
> >> >> troopship! He was reading F.S.C. Northrop ‘ The Meeting of East and
> >> West”.
> >> >> A simple reference to page 117 of ZMM will suffice (Corgi edition).
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