[MD] The Heinous Quadrilemma

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dmb,


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> dmb replies:
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> One say that "Pure experience" or Quality "logically precedes this   
> distinction" just as one can say sleeping logically precedes waking.  
>  In both cases, logic doesn't exist in that first stage but logic   
> does obtain when we start thinking about it or talking about it. The  
>  logic can also be expressed as a little argument: Since concepts  
> are  derived from experience, the experiential material from which  
> they  are derived must come before the concepts.
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Tuukka:

Unlike Quality, "sleeping" is not an undefined concept. But you seem  
to imply that logic doesn't exist when people sleep. Firstly, not  
true. Some people have seen correct formal statements in their dreams.  
My high school maths teacher told me Ramanujan did this. Secondly, not  
relevant. Waking does not logically follow sleeping, it follows  
sleeping temporally.

As for you little argument, well, I don't see the point. I'm fine with  
the idea that concepts are derived from experience and that the  
experiential material from which they are derived must come before the  
concepts. But I'm saying the concepts are not deduced from the  
experiential material. They also do not logically follow from it.  
Deduction and logic is what you do when you already have a bunch of  
concepts.

Regards,
Tuk