[MD] Rhetoric

Tuukka Virtaperko mail at tuukkavirtaperko.net
Mon Jan 2 03:22:07 PST 2017 

Please consider what it does to a person not to have a credible 
intellectual authority as a child. You are implying that I have caused 
this burden to fall upon me. But I have not caused the ineptitude of others.

When you are sick to death of my narcissism, you are sick to death of 
how insignificant it makes you feel. You think you are entitled to feel 
better. I think I am also entitled to feel better. But we don't, do we?

Is the psychiatrist who put me on pension making a useful contribution 
to society? If not, why should I?

Tuk



On 01-Jan-17 18:01, X Acto wrote:
> Tuk,
> I guess everyone is being nice to you or ignoring you because you're a "man-child" with out a job or purpose who lives in his parents basement mentally masturbating to what he thinks is his own genius. When in fact he is basing his entire argument on a logical fallacy.
> You may be a genius when it comes to logical functions but when it comes to critical thinking skills you can't reason yourself out of a wet paper bag.
> Things aren't quiet because you are right and no one can stand up to your towering intellect . It's that you're so wrong no one has the time or energy to prove it to you and your immense ego.
>
> Since I have made a New Years resolution not to get involved in discussions here that I can't devote my full attention to, this tirade is basically cathartic. I'm sick to death of your narcissism.
>
> Grow up, get a job and make yourself useful to society And have a great new year in the process.
>
> -Ron
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 1, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Tuukka Virtaperko <mail at tuukkavirtaperko.net> wrote:
>>
>> The brain is not a muscle, Dave. If you're wrong, that's it.
>>
>> Tuk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 01-Jan-17 2:33, david wrote:
>>> Howdy, Adrie, MOQers all:
>>>
>>> I don't know about Chris Langan's CTMU but Tuukka's criticism is not correct.
>>>
>>> The MOQ does not include anything like Kant's noumenal reality or "things-in-themselves" and the MOQ holds that phenomenal reality is the only
>>> reality we can know. The phenomenal reality is NOT romantic quality. When Pirsig refers to Dynamic Quality as "direct everyday experience," "the primary empirical reality," or quotes William James referring to "the immediate flux of reality," and "pure experience" he is talking about phenomenal reality as such.
>>>
>>> Tuukka's claims to have improved the MOQ are quite preposterous. Obviously, there's no way to "improve" the MOQ or create an alternative without understanding it first.
>>>
>>> Buyer beware.
>>>
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>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
>>>
>>> I think its good to read these materials.But things on wiki's are not
>>> always what they seem.Some are very deceptive.
>>> In fact, what this author is presenting here is actually nothing more than a
>>> collection of derivatives from Wittgensteins work on logic.It is spiced and
>>> salted with some previously known paradoxes in a new disguise.
>>> The best way of putting it  ,in my opinion,is to regard it as a new attempt
>>> to launch the Tractatus-logico etc,....explained with the terminology of a
>>> computerprogrammer, or a very strong logical thinker.And a very intelligent
>>> thinker,...clearly,this however does not prove him right in any way or
>>> field.
>>>
>>> I don't think it will generate clarifications on reality itself,or add new
>>> insights;
>>> it is kinda developed to work as an upide down gearbox,not shifting up, but
>>> in fact , shifting down further, in a halted car.
>>>
>>> I wished you would not take this as critisism, because it is'nt.You should
>>> explore these things, they are less boring than Wittgenstein,and he was not
>>> all that clever also.
>>>
>>> the only part of critics i have is about your statement, "competitor to the
>>> moq and amoq", There is no competion,connection,or game to win.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-12-31 8:52 GMT+01:00 Tuukka Virtaperko <mail at tuukkavirtaperko.net>:
>>>
>>>> Chris Langan, developer of the CTMU, which is a competitor to the MOQ and
>>>> AMOQ, does not understand the MOQ.
>>>>
>>>> Citing http://ctmucommunity.org/wiki/Cognitive-Theoretic_Model_of_t
>>>> he_Universe
>>>>
>>>> ***
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, mind acts as a filter: that which does not conform to
>>>> mental categories is irrelevant to perception, and therefore not real.
>>>> Langan here breaks with Kant, who posited a noumenal reality of
>>>> "things-in-themselves", independent of the phenomenal reality we perceive.
>>>> Discarding this "Kantian fallacy", Langan rejects noumena as oxymoronic
>>>> "inconceivable concepts"[21] and holds that phenomenal reality, as the only
>>>> reality we can know, is the only reality there is.
>>>>
>>>> ***
>>>>
>>>> This means Langan's understanding of philosophy is at the level of ZAMM.
>>>> It is not at the level of LILA. The phenomenal reality is romantic quality.
>>>> Langan is oblivious to Dynamic Quality.
>>>>
>>>> Tuk
>>>>
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