[MD] The need for quality

Sat Sep 2 05:01:46 PDT 2017

Bi Dan,
I have WiFi in the hotel here in Bodrum,and additionally to iT, i have
acces to a little library here,,so i can read your mail and Study the book
at the same time from the pool here!...Nice ,looking at the Knights
Hostpittaler castle over the bay and the yachties boats between the hotel
and me i''m Reading 'Inferno' by Dan Brown,and Cloud Atlas, to compare Some
issue's:this you Can find and acces on the web' Inferno, prb as a pdf for
students!. Please read of you Can the chapterand chapters along chapt
84'concerning the citerns in the Hagia Sophia!. THere are Some historical
and geographical component i would-be like to discussie with you. Yeah,
Mulish i,m aware of iT today, the latest biography is not translated in
English.But the good News is,you do not have to read iT, only the first two
sentences and the last are  important for us and i Can translate.
   'This desk is my country,iT is my island,the only country i Can call
myself a nationalist for,andtheonly country i,M willing to die for,
Writing About huis desk.   Pls forgive me thetypo,s the machine is fast
switching to Turkish from Dutch, and doubting between Flamish and English
spellingcheck from this location.I'm not drunk.,.! ADrie

Op zaterdag 2 september 2017 heeft Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','daneglover at gmail.com');>> het volgende
geschreven:

> Hi Adrie,
>
> I found the stories of Cloud Atlas to be interlocking in nature. In
> fact it was quite a joy for me to discover old characters from some of
> his other novels inhabiting the book. And I shouldn't be too quick to
> dismiss the fifth story. The novel would not work if not for that.
>
> I searched for the work of Harry Mulish but apparently the book you
> mention hasn't been translated into English as of yet.
>
> Thanks, Adrie!
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Dan,...all.
> >
> > I took a sneak peak diagonal reading preview on Cloud Atlas
> yesterday,and i
> > have to agree with you that we will have much to discuss about it , if
> you
> > like.
> > It is too early for me to formulate a solid  judgement about the book,but
> > the bulk of what i read so far is of very high literary quality.
> > The letters from Zedelgem instances are absolute top level, and very
> > complex in their carefully constructed build-up.I have my doubts on the
> > sixth story as i did not found its concluding meanig yet,but i will dig
> in
> > further.
> > The fifth story is a non-event.Counting sheeps.Nothing else.
> >
> > But the 'Zedelghem 'entity, as for locality,caracters and embedded
> > history;.....
> > wow! Stuff to study for quite some time.Learnig grounds for the writers
> of
> > tomorrow.
> >
> > As i was thinking about your questions about purpose and goal, a book on
> > the shelf here is a biography about Harry Mulish named 'Zijn Eigen Land'
> or
> > translated, 'His Own Country' I have no knowledge of a translated form in
> > English, but it will probably exist as Mulish is one of the greatest
> > ,nearly everything he wrote was translated or is in the proces.
> > The book is a chronicle of his notes that he left in his office when he
> > died.
> >
> > There are several things in it that i like to offer along with the
> > discussing of
> > Cloud Atlas.btw Andrew, the phrase "Is this guy fired yet" would be a
> good
> > booktitle.Or a chapter.If i'm back from Turkey we will have a rewind of
> > that.
> >
> >
> > Adrie
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-08-29 8:21 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Hi Adrie,
> >>
> >> I don't think avoidance comes into play so far as purpose except in
> >> the contrary. What I mean is that when money and work become the
> >> purpose we are avoiding what is true and real and meaningful in life.
> >> There is nothing fanciful about purpose nor does a person have to be
> >> exceptionally intelligent to discover it.
> >>
> >> Yes. Framing. But isn't framing more a matter of cultural patterns
> >> constraining our lives into what others believe is important? For
> >> example, perhaps a girl comes of age dreaming of becoming an actor.
> >> But because her family sees that choice as fanciful they steer her,
> >> frame her, into becoming a good girl who does as others want. A girl
> >> who doesn't follow her heart. She spends her life unhappily married
> >> and when her children are born she repeats the process by instilling
> >> in them the same shallow thinking.
> >>
> >> Most would agree how a student doing exceptional work is deserving of
> >> a better grade than those doing less. In the same fashion, an employee
> >> doing exceptional work would be seen as deserving better pay than
> >> those doing less. In this fashion, people are indoctrinated into a
> >> culture of earning. Those who for perhaps reasons of their own go on
> >> to fail at the game are denounced as losers, those back of the class
> >> kids for who Robert Pirsig felt such affinity.
> >>
> >> I am sorry to hear of your health issues, Adrie. And I hope Cloud
> >> Atlas provides you with as much enjoyment as it did me.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi , Dan,all..
> >> >
> >> > Money and work are mountains we all have to climb, there would be no
> >> decent
> >> > or valid point to make, when at the same time trying to avoid to climb
> >> and
> >> > willing to be at the summit in the same framing.
> >> > I like the word 'framing'.
> >> > It is never only the money or the work that is framing us in the job
> or
> >> in
> >> > our lives,the frame contains lots of components that are even so
> >> determinant
> >> > for our existence...,
> >> > Social patterns.Geografical patterns.Political patterns.'Mother the
> >> Wife'.
> >> > Distances.Oceans .
> >> > I need no fantasy or bright brain to know that i'll have commitments
> >> other
> >> > than work and money related.It makes a very big difference for me ,
> now
> >> that
> >> > i'm retired.The frame itself becomes lesser important.But it is never
> >> > absent.
> >> >
> >> > Reviewing what you and Wes wrote, i can say that some possibilities
> >> > are very easyly overlooked.It comes along with the  the frame to do
> so.
> >> > The mechanisms are repeated. If one American buys tannerite to blow up
> >> > some rodents ,other fellow Americans will follow his example and blow
> up
> >> > some pigeons with tannerite.But of course this is a simplified
> example to
> >> > point to something.Do not buy tannerite.Do not blow up
> rodents,youtube is
> >> > full of it.......
> >> >
> >> > There are ways to step out of the frame that is yours and is framing
> you
> >> > where you are,without the need to leave it.Start writing. Keep on
> >> > writing,and start travelling the world around with some magic
> stroke's on
> >> > your keyboard
> >> > It does not have to be non-fiction.Fiction is allowed.
> >> > Allocate your soul at the helm of your computer and write about the
> >> events
> >> > you see,the toughts you have,...........The list is endless.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry for this short reading and write back to you Dan, but i was in
> the
> >> > Hospital this week for epidural injections in my neck and spinal cord.
> >> > Had to take it real easy.Still a very numb feeling in my arms and
> thumbs
> >> > and shoulders.Very numb and very annoying.
> >> > The Cloud Atlas book arrived today.I can start reading it, maybe i
> will
> >> > take it with me to Turkey next week,i have a 10 day's holliday.I go to
> >> > Bodrum.
> >> > Look around in Erdoganistan...(pun), That will give me some time to
> read.
> >> >
> >> > Welcome Andrew and Wes, btw.Feel free to interact anyway.
> >> > And no, English is not my language.I'm a Belgian.
> >> >
> >> > Adrie
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2017-08-25 6:08 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
> >> >
> >> >> Andrew, all,
> >> >>
> >> >> If money were no object, what would you do?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Andrew Chu <andrew.chu at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Maybe one way to spread quality is to imbue it in what we do?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Spend our precious hours finding those things that we uniquely
> connect
> >> >> with and venture into that quality connection.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Has anyone watched Jiro Dreams of Sushi?  That’s quality if I ever
> saw
> >> >> it.  It’s as if a low thunderous roar of quality was building over
> the
> >> last
> >> >> 70 years of his life and once it crested it left a lasting impression
> >> >> across the world.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We need more of that.  It could be anything, sushi, soccer,
> singing,
> >> >> strawberry jam.  The paradox of our time is that we have so many
> ways to
> >> >> express our quality and so little quality to express.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That needs to change.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > From: Dan Glover
> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:19 PM
> >> >> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi Adrie,
> >> >> > Yes, new every day. I like that. Thanks, Adrie!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Adrie Kintziger <
> parser666 at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> Can we still be surprised and feel awe when we discover a bird's
> >> nest in
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> shrubs or a frog in the polder?,we should be!,....many people
> loose
> >> this
> >> >> >> ability early in life.We can ask ourselves,...
> >> >> >> Did the emotional/intellectual adaptive filter close too early for
> >> >> them,and
> >> >> >> did the pattern dissolve itself to give way for other patterns to
> >> >> >> emerge?......,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sometimes a bit strange that i will take a philosopher stance to
> stop
> >> >> >> thinking about these things, and go back to expiriencing again,
> as if
> >> >> >> everything is anew every day.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Adrie
> >> >>
> >> >>
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