[MD] The need for quality

Dan Glover daneglover at gmail.com
Sat Sep 2 10:28:53 PDT 2017


Hi Adrie,

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bi Dan,
> I have WiFi in the hotel here in Bodrum,and additionally to iT, i have
> acces to a little library here,,so i can read your mail and Study the book
> at the same time from the pool here!...Nice ,looking at the Knights
> Hostpittaler castle over the bay and the yachties boats between the hotel
> and me i''m Reading 'Inferno' by Dan Brown,and Cloud Atlas, to compare Some
> issue's:this you Can find and acces on the web' Inferno, prb as a pdf for
> students!. Please read of you Can the chapterand chapters along chapt
> 84'concerning the citerns in the Hagia Sophia!. THere are Some historical
> and geographical component i would-be like to discussie with you. Yeah,
> Mulish i,m aware of iT today, the latest biography is not translated in
> English.But the good News is,you do not have to read iT, only the first two
> sentences and the last are  important for us and i Can translate.
>    'This desk is my country,iT is my island,the only country i Can call
> myself a nationalist for,andtheonly country i,M willing to die for,
> Writing About huis desk.   Pls forgive me thetypo,s the machine is fast
> switching to Turkish from Dutch, and doubting between Flamish and English
> spellingcheck from this location.I'm not drunk.,.! ADrie
>
> Op zaterdag 2 september 2017 heeft Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','daneglover at gmail.com');>> het volgende
> geschreven:
>
>> Hi Adrie,
>>
>> I found the stories of Cloud Atlas to be interlocking in nature. In
>> fact it was quite a joy for me to discover old characters from some of
>> his other novels inhabiting the book. And I shouldn't be too quick to
>> dismiss the fifth story. The novel would not work if not for that.
>>
>> I searched for the work of Harry Mulish but apparently the book you
>> mention hasn't been translated into English as of yet.
>>
>> Thanks, Adrie!
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Dan,...all.
>> >
>> > I took a sneak peak diagonal reading preview on Cloud Atlas
>> yesterday,and i
>> > have to agree with you that we will have much to discuss about it , if
>> you
>> > like.
>> > It is too early for me to formulate a solid  judgement about the book,but
>> > the bulk of what i read so far is of very high literary quality.
>> > The letters from Zedelgem instances are absolute top level, and very
>> > complex in their carefully constructed build-up.I have my doubts on the
>> > sixth story as i did not found its concluding meanig yet,but i will dig
>> in
>> > further.
>> > The fifth story is a non-event.Counting sheeps.Nothing else.
>> >
>> > But the 'Zedelghem 'entity, as for locality,caracters and embedded
>> > history;.....
>> > wow! Stuff to study for quite some time.Learnig grounds for the writers
>> of
>> > tomorrow.
>> >
>> > As i was thinking about your questions about purpose and goal, a book on
>> > the shelf here is a biography about Harry Mulish named 'Zijn Eigen Land'
>> or
>> > translated, 'His Own Country' I have no knowledge of a translated form in
>> > English, but it will probably exist as Mulish is one of the greatest
>> > ,nearly everything he wrote was translated or is in the proces.
>> > The book is a chronicle of his notes that he left in his office when he
>> > died.
>> >
>> > There are several things in it that i like to offer along with the
>> > discussing of
>> > Cloud Atlas.btw Andrew, the phrase "Is this guy fired yet" would be a
>> good
>> > booktitle.Or a chapter.If i'm back from Turkey we will have a rewind of
>> > that.
>> >
>> >
>> > Adrie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2017-08-29 8:21 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
>> >
>> >> Hi Adrie,
>> >>
>> >> I don't think avoidance comes into play so far as purpose except in
>> >> the contrary. What I mean is that when money and work become the
>> >> purpose we are avoiding what is true and real and meaningful in life.
>> >> There is nothing fanciful about purpose nor does a person have to be
>> >> exceptionally intelligent to discover it.
>> >>
>> >> Yes. Framing. But isn't framing more a matter of cultural patterns
>> >> constraining our lives into what others believe is important? For
>> >> example, perhaps a girl comes of age dreaming of becoming an actor.
>> >> But because her family sees that choice as fanciful they steer her,
>> >> frame her, into becoming a good girl who does as others want. A girl
>> >> who doesn't follow her heart. She spends her life unhappily married
>> >> and when her children are born she repeats the process by instilling
>> >> in them the same shallow thinking.
>> >>
>> >> Most would agree how a student doing exceptional work is deserving of
>> >> a better grade than those doing less. In the same fashion, an employee
>> >> doing exceptional work would be seen as deserving better pay than
>> >> those doing less. In this fashion, people are indoctrinated into a
>> >> culture of earning. Those who for perhaps reasons of their own go on
>> >> to fail at the game are denounced as losers, those back of the class
>> >> kids for who Robert Pirsig felt such affinity.
>> >>
>> >> I am sorry to hear of your health issues, Adrie. And I hope Cloud
>> >> Atlas provides you with as much enjoyment as it did me.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you,
>> >>
>> >> Dan
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi , Dan,all..
>> >> >
>> >> > Money and work are mountains we all have to climb, there would be no
>> >> decent
>> >> > or valid point to make, when at the same time trying to avoid to climb
>> >> and
>> >> > willing to be at the summit in the same framing.
>> >> > I like the word 'framing'.
>> >> > It is never only the money or the work that is framing us in the job
>> or
>> >> in
>> >> > our lives,the frame contains lots of components that are even so
>> >> determinant
>> >> > for our existence...,
>> >> > Social patterns.Geografical patterns.Political patterns.'Mother the
>> >> Wife'.
>> >> > Distances.Oceans .
>> >> > I need no fantasy or bright brain to know that i'll have commitments
>> >> other
>> >> > than work and money related.It makes a very big difference for me ,
>> now
>> >> that
>> >> > i'm retired.The frame itself becomes lesser important.But it is never
>> >> > absent.
>> >> >
>> >> > Reviewing what you and Wes wrote, i can say that some possibilities
>> >> > are very easyly overlooked.It comes along with the  the frame to do
>> so.
>> >> > The mechanisms are repeated. If one American buys tannerite to blow up
>> >> > some rodents ,other fellow Americans will follow his example and blow
>> up
>> >> > some pigeons with tannerite.But of course this is a simplified
>> example to
>> >> > point to something.Do not buy tannerite.Do not blow up
>> rodents,youtube is
>> >> > full of it.......
>> >> >
>> >> > There are ways to step out of the frame that is yours and is framing
>> you
>> >> > where you are,without the need to leave it.Start writing. Keep on
>> >> > writing,and start travelling the world around with some magic
>> stroke's on
>> >> > your keyboard
>> >> > It does not have to be non-fiction.Fiction is allowed.
>> >> > Allocate your soul at the helm of your computer and write about the
>> >> events
>> >> > you see,the toughts you have,...........The list is endless.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry for this short reading and write back to you Dan, but i was in
>> the
>> >> > Hospital this week for epidural injections in my neck and spinal cord.
>> >> > Had to take it real easy.Still a very numb feeling in my arms and
>> thumbs
>> >> > and shoulders.Very numb and very annoying.
>> >> > The Cloud Atlas book arrived today.I can start reading it, maybe i
>> will
>> >> > take it with me to Turkey next week,i have a 10 day's holliday.I go to
>> >> > Bodrum.
>> >> > Look around in Erdoganistan...(pun), That will give me some time to
>> read.
>> >> >
>> >> > Welcome Andrew and Wes, btw.Feel free to interact anyway.
>> >> > And no, English is not my language.I'm a Belgian.
>> >> >
>> >> > Adrie
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2017-08-25 6:08 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Andrew, all,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If money were no object, what would you do?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Andrew Chu <andrew.chu at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > Maybe one way to spread quality is to imbue it in what we do?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Spend our precious hours finding those things that we uniquely
>> connect
>> >> >> with and venture into that quality connection.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Has anyone watched Jiro Dreams of Sushi?  That’s quality if I ever
>> saw
>> >> >> it.  It’s as if a low thunderous roar of quality was building over
>> the
>> >> last
>> >> >> 70 years of his life and once it crested it left a lasting impression
>> >> >> across the world.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > We need more of that.  It could be anything, sushi, soccer,
>> singing,
>> >> >> strawberry jam.  The paradox of our time is that we have so many
>> ways to
>> >> >> express our quality and so little quality to express.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That needs to change.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > From: Dan Glover
>> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:19 PM
>> >> >> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hi Adrie,
>> >> >> > Yes, new every day. I like that. Thanks, Adrie!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Adrie Kintziger <
>> parser666 at gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> Can we still be surprised and feel awe when we discover a bird's
>> >> nest in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> shrubs or a frog in the polder?,we should be!,....many people
>> loose
>> >> this
>> >> >> >> ability early in life.We can ask ourselves,...
>> >> >> >> Did the emotional/intellectual adaptive filter close too early for
>> >> >> them,and
>> >> >> >> did the pattern dissolve itself to give way for other patterns to
>> >> >> >> emerge?......,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Sometimes a bit strange that i will take a philosopher stance to
>> stop
>> >> >> >> thinking about these things, and go back to expiriencing again,
>> as if
>> >> >> >> everything is anew every day.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Adrie
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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