[MD] The need for quality
xacto at rocketmail.com
Thu Sep 14 05:54:23 PDT 2017
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On Sep 12, 2017, at 2:54 PM, WES STEWART <wesstt at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Hello X-Acto, I will keep to Pirsigs or Demings description of a SYSTEM,
>> because both of them talk about corruption, you can review Pirsigs full
>> description in Chapter 8.
>> Pirsig is extremely artful in his description because he has a Doctorate
>> in Creative Writing; Deming a physicist, mathematician, and statistician,
>> sometimes outwardly states they are corrupted by their greed. I think that
>> the systems theorists description that you sent me was well thought out of
>> what it should be; but naive as to what happens in real life, a SYSTEM can
>> create the Iraq war and unknowingly produce an ISIS, but was it really an
>> intelligent move?
>> Here is some of what Pirsig states in Chapter 8;
>> "But to tear down a factory or revolt against a government....because it
>> is a system is to attack effects rather than causes, and as long as the
>> attack is against effects, no change is possible. The true system, the real
>> system is the construction of systemic thought itself, rationality of
>> thought, and if a factory is torn down but the rationality of thought which
>> produced it is left standing, then that rationality will simply produce
>> another factory."
>> "If a revolution destroys a systematic government, but the same systematic
>> patterns of thought are left intact,
>> then those same patterns will repeat themselves in succeeding
>> governments." From Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert
>> In this imaginary story "the real system is the construction of systemic
>> thought itself, rationality of thought" of the capitalist system
>> which is based wholly on greed and self interest, which is a part of
>> government just as much as it is part of business. The rationality of the
>> CEO and the accountant in this made up story is the real system, "the
>> construction of systemic thought itself, rationality of thought",is not
>> science its disturbed and biased and will always make poor decisions
>> concerning quality because of self interest, self importance and greed.
Ron replies :
Thanks for the clarification Wes, I'm going to read up on Deming and hopefully I can speak to you with alittle more precision .
I am very interested in this subject matter.
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