[MD] cloud atlas.

Adrie Kintziger parser666 at gmail.com
Sun Sep 24 04:05:16 PDT 2017

Hi , Dan, All.....
Well i'm done reading the book entirely, and i must admit that Mitchell is
a great author.I love the book all the way.In fact it is good enough to
read more of him.
I think i will read Thousand autumns of Jacob De Zoet also, and i think The
caracter you mentioned earlier in the thread about the doctor who mistreats
him; in fact should be this Boerhaave the famous doctor?, the Boerhaave
that appears in Cloud atlas is in this sense a reincarnation of the
Boerhaave in
Thousand Autumns,.... nice,the guy has his caracters in the fingers.
Boerhaave is a common name here.(btw)
I think the famous doctor is to be found on wiki,for his story.

I was occupied some days now, because my daughter had her knee replaced
and a very good friend of us  died a week ago.We attended his funeral
yesterday.We took a vacation in Rome a year ago with him.He was Italian,and
knowed every place in Rome.He showed us a pub next to villa
Borghese, were Al Pacino sometimes comes to have a martini.Nice place ,al
his picures on the wall there.The closest i can come to the godfather.

I also downloaded Cloud Atles as movie, on my box, but i think its not a
very good film, The script avoids all the real locations,like Bruges, and
the letters
from Zedelghem are left in the shadows,... pff. nope.
I also finished Inferno.
On the afterword Dan Brown thanks his Turkish historians for the storylines.
I also found out that Mitchel as well for Thousend Autumns as for Cloud,
lived in Holland for six months, and lived some time in Belgium also.

The coming days i will also finish the Harry Mulish homily-- so , up for
Autumns and Dejima.


2017-09-14 12:54 GMT+02:00 Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>:

> Hi, Dan, all...
> Given the content of your last sentence,yes,i did some further reading to
> the
> end of the book , and it is thrue that a cluster of alter ego's appears
> and vanishes again only to reappear in other chapters/essays,and story's
> elsewhere.They really merge into previous characters.
> The same pattern indeed that we can find in "Zen,..."and "Lila", where it
> is not always very clear when Phaedrus,the narrator Pirsig and the
> caracters are talking.Phaedrus is a master of disguise, as is Pirsig when
> hiding in the alter ego.
> There is a page somewhere in the book , where  Mitchell uses the term New
> England, but does not seem to project innuendo of any sort.
> This guy is very sharp in his details,when he retakes the "letters from
> Zedelgem", near the end of the book, he makes sure the first letter takes
> of where the last of the early chapters left it, even to the
> date.10/10/1931; is
> about two weeks after the last was left behind.
> Also it was very nice to find that when he left the diary of Ewing (first
> exposure) , and used an unfinished sentence as lead-out, he uses the same
> sentence as lead-in in for
> the retake of the dairy of Ewing near the end.Just before he does, he
> talks about Frobishers molecules , lingering around in his mind.Briljant!,
> superb!
> Personally , i like the Cavendish caracter most,but that is a personal
> feeling i guess.Very rational Brit writing like he is a freemason of
> semantics.
> This book contains more story's that a writer can think of.History itself
> delivers them.  That also apply's for 'inferno' of Dan Brown,that i
> recommended,history and the geograpical setting that is chosen delivers a
> part of the mystic content.I left it aside for now, need to read some other
> things first. During my reading of the surroundings in Brugge,(bruges) and
> Zedelgem(modern spelling), i visited the brugse reien virtually and
> travelled
> some of the streets via google earth,for the part about the "minnewater"
> he mentions.Coming around that event , i found several entry's in wiki
> talking about the castle of the Della Faille's on the border of the
> "Minnewater".
> This was not related to Mitchell's book , but de Della Faille's were the
> big
> landlords in my home town of Assenede,during medieval times, and i just
> had to grab the story i found.Its a book on itself.But has nothing to do
> with the Cloud Atlas.
> Brugge, (Bruges) is only 40 minutes driving from here btw.Most beautiful
> town in Belgium, very clean and very historical.Very medieval.I know all
> places in the book.Even the hotels are real.And the musea.
> When artists are visiting  Brugge they tend to become creative.
> One can travel most of the canals here by boat, not expensive, its even
> possible around Gent and in the city core of Gent proper itself in the
> medieval channels.That is only 20 min's from my location here.
> Medieval centum Gent
> http://www.debootjesvangent.be/nl/stadsrondvaarten/het-
> middeleeuwse-centrum-40-min
> 7 euro/person
> medieval centrum Brugge (Bruges)
> http://www.boottochten-brugge.be/
> 8 euro/person
> also Gent to Bruges is possible.
> Have some fun.Adrie
> 2017-09-13 5:48 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
>> Hi Adrie,
>> Glad you are enjoying Cloud Atlas. Yes I agree how David Mitchell does
>> a stellar job with his characters and their settings. Oh. The Kona
>> episode is written from the future tense and disregard this if you
>> haven't made it through the entire book yet as it may contain
>> spoilers:
>> the dialect is I think meant to reflect a breakdown in social
>> standards (and morality as well, thus the rather filthy and limp
>> portrayal) in some unspecified but certainly not too distant point in
>> time and it is set on the islands of what we today call Hawaii. This
>> is I think a rather ingenious portrayal of social patterns devolving
>> rather than evolving, the result of what we might term negative
>> Quality.
>> The point of view character starts as a young boy I believe of around
>> 7 years old who unwittingly leads the Kona back to his camp where the
>> barbarians slaughter his father and older brother while he hides in
>> the forest. Later, the boy now grown meets with a newcomer to the
>> island who might or might not be a relative and who might or might not
>> be the reincarnated persona of earlier characters in the story. Note
>> the comet-shaped birthmark.
>> You might notice how David Mitchell uses reincarnation as a touchstone
>> not only in Cloud Atlas but in all his stories. The same characters
>> continually appear and reappear throughout his novels. You might even
>> make the case how the boy is not only a descendant of one of the
>> earlier characters in the book, the one who mistakenly believes he's
>> been afflicted with a deadly parasite, but quite probably the
>> reincarnated persona. The doctor who treats him (or rather mistreats)
>> is relateable to a character from The Thousand Autumns of Jacob de
>> Zoet and The Bone Clocks and is a traveler of an altogether different
>> sort.
>> The intermingling nature of the stories leads the reader up the hill
>> and then back down again which I think is much like Robert Pirsig's
>> two novels, ZMM leading us up and Lila taking us back down. Thus the
>> mention of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance in Cloud Atlas is
>> I think no accident or whim of the author but instead what we might
>> term a touchstone, a point on a map guiding us to a more expansive
>> point of view.
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I did some more reading today, Dan, and i have to say,the story's are
>> > stunning.This writer is really far pitching.What took my attention most
>> and
>> > give me the feeling that i was walking around in alice's wonderland, is
>> > that he went around the geographical timetable's to situate his
>> caracters
>> > in their locations.
>> > When JR Ewing speaks , he uses the 1850  spelling of the Dutch /Flemish
>> > language,when the letters of Zedelghem are spoken about, the author uses
>> > the 1931 language spelling, as the story situates itself in..... etc,
>> > brilliant!, he actually used words that i had to look up in the
>> dictionary,
>> > and i'm from around here.A particulair word,"verwaten", does nor even
>> exist
>> > anymore!;this is a very rare quality in a writer.
>> > He actually writes some phrases in Western Flemish,like he is from
>> around
>> > there, dialect as they come. Superb.
>> >
>> > But i'm struggling with one of the story's.
>> > He embeds a story about the Kona within the two orison articles(not
>> written
>> > as a chapter). It looks like an essay.But it is written in a sort of
>> > Dutch and absolutely not Flemish dialect, that is so filthy and limp,
>> and
>> > idiotic that one can only find it around the big asocial city's like say
>> > Rotterdam and Amsterdam.Extremely annoying.I do not understand why this
>> is
>> > written this way.
>> > Struggle....
>> >
>> > Adrie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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