[MD] cloud atlas.

Dan Glover daneglover at gmail.com
Thu Sep 28 22:25:13 PDT 2017

Hi Adrie,

I believe if memory serves the doctor in question in Cloud Atlas is
Dr. Goose, which is most likely a nom de guerre for Dr. Marinus of The
Thousand Autumns of Jacob de Zoet. At least in my opinion. If so, he
isn't exactly a reincarnation. I will leave that for you to decipher.

I haven't seen the Cloud Atlas movie. Seems the book would be a
difficult one to translate to film.

My condolences on the death of your friend. And best wishes for your
daughter's full recovery.

Oh. I think I am up to chapter 61 in Dan Brown's Inferno. I will keep
you updated as to my progress.

Thanks, Adrie!


On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 6:05 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi , Dan, All.....
> Well i'm done reading the book entirely, and i must admit that Mitchell is
> a great author.I love the book all the way.In fact it is good enough to
> read more of him.
> I think i will read Thousand autumns of Jacob De Zoet also, and i think The
> caracter you mentioned earlier in the thread about the doctor who mistreats
> him; in fact should be this Boerhaave the famous doctor?, the Boerhaave
> that appears in Cloud atlas is in this sense a reincarnation of the
> Boerhaave in
> Thousand Autumns,.... nice,the guy has his caracters in the fingers.
> Boerhaave is a common name here.(btw)
> I think the famous doctor is to be found on wiki,for his story.
> I was occupied some days now, because my daughter had her knee replaced
> and a very good friend of us  died a week ago.We attended his funeral
> yesterday.We took a vacation in Rome a year ago with him.He was Italian,and
> knowed every place in Rome.He showed us a pub next to villa
> Borghese, were Al Pacino sometimes comes to have a martini.Nice place ,al
> his picures on the wall there.The closest i can come to the godfather.
> I also downloaded Cloud Atles as movie, on my box, but i think its not a
> very good film, The script avoids all the real locations,like Bruges, and
> the letters
> from Zedelghem are left in the shadows,... pff. nope.
> I also finished Inferno.
> On the afterword Dan Brown thanks his Turkish historians for the storylines.
> I also found out that Mitchel as well for Thousend Autumns as for Cloud,
> lived in Holland for six months, and lived some time in Belgium also.
> The coming days i will also finish the Harry Mulish homily-- so , up for
> Autumns and Dejima.
> Adrie
> 2017-09-14 12:54 GMT+02:00 Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>:
>> Hi, Dan, all...
>> Given the content of your last sentence,yes,i did some further reading to
>> the
>> end of the book , and it is thrue that a cluster of alter ego's appears
>> and vanishes again only to reappear in other chapters/essays,and story's
>> elsewhere.They really merge into previous characters.
>> The same pattern indeed that we can find in "Zen,..."and "Lila", where it
>> is not always very clear when Phaedrus,the narrator Pirsig and the
>> caracters are talking.Phaedrus is a master of disguise, as is Pirsig when
>> hiding in the alter ego.
>> There is a page somewhere in the book , where  Mitchell uses the term New
>> England, but does not seem to project innuendo of any sort.
>> This guy is very sharp in his details,when he retakes the "letters from
>> Zedelgem", near the end of the book, he makes sure the first letter takes
>> of where the last of the early chapters left it, even to the
>> date.10/10/1931; is
>> about two weeks after the last was left behind.
>> Also it was very nice to find that when he left the diary of Ewing (first
>> exposure) , and used an unfinished sentence as lead-out, he uses the same
>> sentence as lead-in in for
>> the retake of the dairy of Ewing near the end.Just before he does, he
>> talks about Frobishers molecules , lingering around in his mind.Briljant!,
>> superb!
>> Personally , i like the Cavendish caracter most,but that is a personal
>> feeling i guess.Very rational Brit writing like he is a freemason of
>> semantics.
>> This book contains more story's that a writer can think of.History itself
>> delivers them.  That also apply's for 'inferno' of Dan Brown,that i
>> recommended,history and the geograpical setting that is chosen delivers a
>> part of the mystic content.I left it aside for now, need to read some other
>> things first. During my reading of the surroundings in Brugge,(bruges) and
>> Zedelgem(modern spelling), i visited the brugse reien virtually and
>> travelled
>> some of the streets via google earth,for the part about the "minnewater"
>> he mentions.Coming around that event , i found several entry's in wiki
>> talking about the castle of the Della Faille's on the border of the
>> "Minnewater".
>> This was not related to Mitchell's book , but de Della Faille's were the
>> big
>> landlords in my home town of Assenede,during medieval times, and i just
>> had to grab the story i found.Its a book on itself.But has nothing to do
>> with the Cloud Atlas.
>> Brugge, (Bruges) is only 40 minutes driving from here btw.Most beautiful
>> town in Belgium, very clean and very historical.Very medieval.I know all
>> places in the book.Even the hotels are real.And the musea.
>> When artists are visiting  Brugge they tend to become creative.
>> One can travel most of the canals here by boat, not expensive, its even
>> possible around Gent and in the city core of Gent proper itself in the
>> medieval channels.That is only 20 min's from my location here.
>> Medieval centum Gent
>> http://www.debootjesvangent.be/nl/stadsrondvaarten/het-
>> middeleeuwse-centrum-40-min
>> 7 euro/person
>> medieval centrum Brugge (Bruges)
>> http://www.boottochten-brugge.be/
>> 8 euro/person
>> also Gent to Bruges is possible.
>> Have some fun.Adrie
>> 2017-09-13 5:48 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
>>> Hi Adrie,
>>> Glad you are enjoying Cloud Atlas. Yes I agree how David Mitchell does
>>> a stellar job with his characters and their settings. Oh. The Kona
>>> episode is written from the future tense and disregard this if you
>>> haven't made it through the entire book yet as it may contain
>>> spoilers:
>>> the dialect is I think meant to reflect a breakdown in social
>>> standards (and morality as well, thus the rather filthy and limp
>>> portrayal) in some unspecified but certainly not too distant point in
>>> time and it is set on the islands of what we today call Hawaii. This
>>> is I think a rather ingenious portrayal of social patterns devolving
>>> rather than evolving, the result of what we might term negative
>>> Quality.
>>> The point of view character starts as a young boy I believe of around
>>> 7 years old who unwittingly leads the Kona back to his camp where the
>>> barbarians slaughter his father and older brother while he hides in
>>> the forest. Later, the boy now grown meets with a newcomer to the
>>> island who might or might not be a relative and who might or might not
>>> be the reincarnated persona of earlier characters in the story. Note
>>> the comet-shaped birthmark.
>>> You might notice how David Mitchell uses reincarnation as a touchstone
>>> not only in Cloud Atlas but in all his stories. The same characters
>>> continually appear and reappear throughout his novels. You might even
>>> make the case how the boy is not only a descendant of one of the
>>> earlier characters in the book, the one who mistakenly believes he's
>>> been afflicted with a deadly parasite, but quite probably the
>>> reincarnated persona. The doctor who treats him (or rather mistreats)
>>> is relateable to a character from The Thousand Autumns of Jacob de
>>> Zoet and The Bone Clocks and is a traveler of an altogether different
>>> sort.
>>> The intermingling nature of the stories leads the reader up the hill
>>> and then back down again which I think is much like Robert Pirsig's
>>> two novels, ZMM leading us up and Lila taking us back down. Thus the
>>> mention of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance in Cloud Atlas is
>>> I think no accident or whim of the author but instead what we might
>>> term a touchstone, a point on a map guiding us to a more expansive
>>> point of view.
>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I did some more reading today, Dan, and i have to say,the story's are
>>> > stunning.This writer is really far pitching.What took my attention most
>>> and
>>> > give me the feeling that i was walking around in alice's wonderland, is
>>> > that he went around the geographical timetable's to situate his
>>> caracters
>>> > in their locations.
>>> > When JR Ewing speaks , he uses the 1850  spelling of the Dutch /Flemish
>>> > language,when the letters of Zedelghem are spoken about, the author uses
>>> > the 1931 language spelling, as the story situates itself in..... etc,
>>> > brilliant!, he actually used words that i had to look up in the
>>> dictionary,
>>> > and i'm from around here.A particulair word,"verwaten", does nor even
>>> exist
>>> > anymore!;this is a very rare quality in a writer.
>>> > He actually writes some phrases in Western Flemish,like he is from
>>> around
>>> > there, dialect as they come. Superb.
>>> >
>>> > But i'm struggling with one of the story's.
>>> > He embeds a story about the Kona within the two orison articles(not
>>> written
>>> > as a chapter). It looks like an essay.But it is written in a sort of
>>> > Dutch and absolutely not Flemish dialect, that is so filthy and limp,
>>> and
>>> > idiotic that one can only find it around the big asocial city's like say
>>> > Rotterdam and Amsterdam.Extremely annoying.I do not understand why this
>>> is
>>> > written this way.
>>> > Struggle....
>>> >
>>> > Adrie
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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