[MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends

Albert Mezistrano albertstrano at gmail.com
Tue Apr 28 09:42:34 PDT 2020 

Hey all!

Perhaps I’m one of the youngsters of this group, but it’s nonetheless great to hear from you all!

I read ZAMM and Lila about five years back and it had a profound affect on me. I’ve just started working as a psychotherapist, and have recent been diving into the works of the psychoanalyst Donald Winnicott. He has a strikingly similar description of the space where quality exists. It blew my mind reading it and gave me happy flashbacks of reading Pirsig.

Not sure how familiar you guys are with Winnicott, but I’d be happy to share more on the topic!

Hope everyone continues to stay safe and it’s nice hearing from you!

Albert

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> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Margaret Warren <mm at zeroexp.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I never contributed in depth to this list, but was more active circa 2003-2006 ish, but I was happy to see a post from this group this week, so best wishes to all here in these unique times.
> 
> I spend a lot of bird watching time too, at the moment in Florida; though last year I was able to spend a year in the SF/Bay area.
> 
> But I love that area of Florida! I am just a bit further Northwest/West.  Agreed about Miles Davis.
> 
> I am glad to see some activity in this group.  Some people I think may have long ago confused me with another woman - I believe named Marsha, who used to write here alot.. But I am not Marsha :-)
> 
> Best,
> 
> Margaret Warren
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4/26/2020 3:50 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
>> Hi Adrie!
>> 
>> Yes, long time. Cormorants we have in abundance too. You can always spot
>> them perched ominously on a branch with wings displayed menacingly. When I
>> first saw them standing like that, I thought they must be angry with me
>> over some perceived slight. Of course, all they are really doing is drying
>> their feathers since they lack the oil producing glands of other waterfowl
>> like ducks and such.
>> 
>> One blue heron frequents the canal here during the winter.  You see him/her
>> coming down out of the sky like a falling mountain. It then stands for
>> hours on end staring intently at the water. The intensity of its glare is
>> rather startling, eyes never blinking. Then, all of a sudden, you hear a
>> splash and it comes rising up with a fish wriggling in its beak. I am sure
>> if I had koi, they would be long gone by now.
>> 
>> The otters here live mainly out on the rivers and swamps where vast mats of
>> water hyacinths grow along the banks. Manatees also enjoy munching on the
>> hyacinths as well. Last spring, a mamma manatee and her calf visited my
>> canal for a couple days. You see them mostly out on the rivers, though.
>> Same with the blue herons. Lots of them out in the swamps, along with
>> egrets and ospreys and eagles. I've noticed peregrine falcons as well. You
>> can always tell them by their high-pitched screech.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:34 AM Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello , Dan, long time no see..
>>> The blue herons along with the white are a real pest here.Two years ago a
>>> blu heron was able to
>>> steal most of my koi-he only left one in the pond.That one is still there
>>> now, with some goldfish.I had
>>> to cover the whole pond with nets on a permanent base.Another pest here is
>>> the great cormorant which
>>> is a special guest at the canal here.They own it!.
>>> Few days ago the first otter was spotted in Zelzate in 50 years or so,..in
>>> the yacht harbour.
>>> 
>>> Adrie
>>> 
>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 21:42 schreef Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>>> Hello old friends,
>>>> 
>>>> A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I couldn't sell, and
>>>> moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched precariously
>>> close
>>>> to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend my days
>>> sitting
>>>> in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, and blue
>>>> herons. I was delighted the other day to see a reference to Zen and the
>>> Art
>>>> of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) by Salman
>>>> Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything.
>>>> 
>>>> I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think part of that
>>> has
>>>> to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even in December
>>> and
>>>> January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was intent on killing
>>>> me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I do write now
>>> has
>>>> more quality than the torrent of words I once produced though in that I
>>> am
>>>> most likely fooling myself.
>>>> 
>>>> I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, biking, running,
>>>> swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and dammit if it
>>>> doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both new and old,
>>>> catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems particularly
>>> apropos
>>>> to these long and sunny Florida afternoons.
>>>> 
>>>> Life is good.
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>> A rip tide is raging
>>>> And the life guard is away
>>>> But the ocean doesn't want me today
>>>> The ocean doesn't want me today
>>>> (Tom Waits)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects.. ,in the
>>>>> run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house that i had to do
>>>> up
>>>>> myself (3 yrs work),
>>>>> i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went
>>> silent.Probably
>>>> i
>>>>> was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked anymore, nor
>>>> did i
>>>>> hear anything.
>>>>> So you are the first ,Matt.
>>>>> I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my bicycle
>>> daily,
>>>>> do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now.
>>>>> But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown and with the
>>>>> Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the Netherlands, but
>>>> have
>>>>> to stay in Belgium nowadays.
>>>>> We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they are patrolling
>>>> the
>>>>> little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do for now is
>>>>> cleaning , pruning the trees and
>>>>> just sit over there , on some distance from each other. Its our
>>> personal
>>>>> tranquility base , so we have to guard it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a location
>>> that
>>>>> allows you to weather this viral storms ...
>>>>> Missed you all, Krimel included.
>>>>> Adrie
>>>>> 
>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <Scribe at club-hub.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>>> Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old day on the
>>> MoQ.
>>>> In
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few reflection on
>>> the
>>>>> past
>>>>>> do these days.
>>>>>> I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my true name,
>>>>> which I
>>>>>> thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate school in
>>>>> communication
>>>>>> but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a master's, mostly
>>>>> because
>>>>>> I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught Psychology but also
>>>>> classes
>>>>>> in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and spent couple
>>>> of
>>>>>> months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had similar plans
>>> this
>>>>> year
>>>>>> but they have been delayed...
>>>>>> There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ. When I
>>> entered
>>>>>> graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of writing a day
>>> for
>>>>> the
>>>>>> community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It was too
>>> focused,
>>>>> too
>>>>>> controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I wrote a lot for
>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>> school but it was not for fun and other than being an asshole on
>>>>> Facebook I
>>>>>> don't do it much these days.
>>>>>> Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most of you,
>>>> fiercely.
>>>>>> Krimel
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> Kundert
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM
>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>> Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's been three years since I've checked this email and five since I
>>>>> wrote
>>>>>> to the listserve.  I was just talking to a friend, outside, 8 feet
>>>> away,
>>>>> on
>>>>>> a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM.  We
>>>> chatted a
>>>>>> little while about it, and am going to give her one of the many
>>> copies
>>>> I
>>>>>> still have squirreled away.  I haven't read it since I taught it in
>>>> 2014,
>>>>>> but I still think it is one of the most remarkably structured books.
>>>>> I've
>>>>>> been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and its
>>>>> responsiveness
>>>>>> is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture.  The real
>>>>>> nostalgia
>>>>>> I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any of my old
>>>>> friends
>>>>>> and interlocutors who still receive these emails.  I still feel that
>>> my
>>>>>> participation many years ago was integral to my intellectual and
>>>>> stylistic
>>>>>> growth.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hope everyone is well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> Former Apostate
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