[MD] Future of MOQ

Thu May 28 00:08:42 PDT 2020

Dear Ant

Time is not something you have.
Time is what you take yourself.

:-)

J-A

> 28 maj 2020 kl. 05:03 skrev Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>:
> 
> As I implied before Jan-Anders, you're asking the wrong person about this issue!  Though, as you stated, I agree that 'MOQ & Time' paper would be a good starting point for discussion.
> 
> I'll tell you what, presuming Horse is OK with this, if someone reading this downloaded (and saved) the original webpage from robertpirsig.org (when it was properly operational pre-2015) maybe they could be kind enough to paste the text of the paper in a post here.  At least everyone subscribing to MOQ Discuss could read what we're talking about.  in fact, Horse can publish it properly at his website; that is if he wants to and (forgive the pun) has the... time!  😉
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ant
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf of Jan Andersson <jananderses at telia.com>
> Sent: 27 May 2020 17:02
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Future of MOQ
> 
> Ant
> 
> Yes I’ve got them since long. I thought that if it was available for all it could be a good material to start off from where everyone could take part.
> 
> J-A
> 
>> 27 maj 2020 x kl. 00:16 skrev Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>:
>> 
>> Jan-Anders,
>> 
>> Here's a link to that 1999 paper you mentioned by ERIC PRIEZKALNS and myself:
>> 
>> http://www.quantonics.com/Anthony_McWatts_MoQ_Paper.html
>> 
>> Otherwise, as I said previously, the 'MOQ & Time' paper (more or less anyway) can be found in the appendix of the 'Pirisg PhD PDF' from 2011.  If you want a copy let me know off-line!  However, don't you have a copyof this at hand anyway?
>> 
>> Sadly, it's other people who are/have been 'blocking' full access to robertpirsig.org; (such as Will Heasman &  Ian Glendinning - the previous & present website 'hosts'/'IT administrators') over the last three to four years...  Like you I just want to get on with updating robertpirsig.org and 'taking the MOQ further' but there's little I can do about it for now if they're respectively having a breakdown/break-up or simply too busy/looking after elderlty parents or whatever the latest excuse it is...  There's an old phrase: 'If you want something done well, do it yourself'!!! 😉
>> 
>> Kind regards all anyway,
>> 
>> P.S. Nowadays, I think of this song when thinking of people like Will & Ian (and a few other 'choice' people - some a lot worse than those two btw - I've had the misfortune to encounter in 'The World of the MOQ' over the years):
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV4mg9DMn7k
>> [https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.TGqiieqmF_eGfogZL0G62wHgFo&pid=Api]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV4mg9DMn7k>
>> 'The Ballad Of John And Yoko' By The Beatles (Cover By Amy Slattery)<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV4mg9DMn7k>
>> Hope you enjoy this one! :)
>> www.youtube.com<http://www.youtube.com>
>> 
>> 
>> www.robertpirsig.org<http://www.robertpirsig.org/<http://www.robertpirsig.org<http://www.robertpirsig.org/>>
>> Robert M Pirsig - Anthony McWatt's Pirsig/MoQ Website<http://www.robertpirsig.org/>
>> ABOUT: Created to support the promotion of and engagement in the life, literary and philosophical works of Robert Pirsig. · Status July 2019 – under new registration and hosting arrangements @ Dreamhost.com (Old resources of robertpirsig.org and pirsig.org partially recovered from web archive and awaiting republication.)· For all content & technical queries – anthonymcwatt at hotmail.com
>> www.robertpirsig.org<http://www.robertpirsig.org>
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> [MD] Future of MOQ
>> Jan Andersson jananderses at telia.com
>> Sat May 23 05:20:43 PDT 2020
>> 
>> 
>> All
>> 
>> After these mourning years my mind's a bit rusty. I forgot to also mention the essay The Role of Evolution, Time and Order in Robert Pirsig’s "Metaphysics of Quality” by ANTHONY MCWATT of Liverpool University, & ERIC PRIEZKALNS with Responses by ROBERT M. PIRSIG JANUARY 1999
>> 
>> If Ant will give acess to the audience of this, and -The MOQ and Time-, I think that it will be a good start for a constructive discussion here. If they, by chance, is considered obsolete, what will there be else to start from?
>> 
>> My own book about Money (Time is..? :-) isn’t mentioned anywhere and with it's massive lack of response I think you can leave that.. excerpt one little quotation in it from Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan ch XIII:
>> --- For such is the nature of men, that howsoever they may acknowledge many others to be more witty, or more eloquent, or more learned;
>> Yet they will hardly believe there be many so wise as themselves: For they see their own wit at hand, and other mens at a distance. ---
>> 
>> During the years we have been talking around so many aspects on MOQ and Metaphysics. Thousands of intense threads about SOM vs MOQ and so on.
>> 
>> Now it is time to look further. The Corona crisis is pointing at some interesting aspects.
>> There are 4 layers in the MOQ perspective of the evolution. Viruses and political issues housed at different levels. One applicable issue to point at the MOQ-perspective could be like this: Why is it impossible to argue with a virus?
>> 
>> –
>> 
>> Without time there will be no future.
>> 
>> Jan-Anders
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