[MD] Future of MOQ

[Horse]

Hi Folks

If someone has that document I'd be more than happy to put it on moq.org 
- especially as I'm in the middle of completely re-building the web site 
at the moment! Lots to do and not enough hours in the day to do it!!
BTW I've kept the old website intact for historical purposes but also 
need to re-do all the links if you do have a squint at it - I'll get it 
finished at some point!!

Cheers

Horse

On 28/05/2020 04:02, Ant McWatt wrote:
> As I implied before Jan-Anders, you're asking the wrong person about this issue!  Though, as you stated, I agree that 'MOQ & Time' paper would be a good starting point for discussion.
>
> I'll tell you what, presuming Horse is OK with this, if someone reading this downloaded (and saved) the original webpage from robertpirsig.org (when it was properly operational pre-2015) maybe they could be kind enough to paste the text of the paper in a post here.  At least everyone subscribing to MOQ Discuss could read what we're talking about.  in fact, Horse can publish it properly at his website; that is if he wants to and (forgive the pun) has the... time!  😉
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ant
>
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> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf of Jan Andersson <jananderses at telia.com>
> Sent: 27 May 2020 17:02
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Future of MOQ
>
> Ant
>
> Yes I’ve got them since long. I thought that if it was available for all it could be a good material to start off from where everyone could take part.
>
> J-A
>
>> 27 maj 2020 x kl. 00:16 skrev Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>:
>>
>> Jan-Anders,
>>
>> Here's a link to that 1999 paper you mentioned by ERIC PRIEZKALNS and myself:
>>
>> http://www.quantonics.com/Anthony_McWatts_MoQ_Paper.html
>>
>> Otherwise, as I said previously, the 'MOQ & Time' paper (more or less anyway) can be found in the appendix of the 'Pirisg PhD PDF' from 2011.  If you want a copy let me know off-line!  However, don't you have a copyof this at hand anyway?
>>
>> Sadly, it's other people who are/have been 'blocking' full access to robertpirsig.org; (such as Will Heasman &  Ian Glendinning - the previous & present website 'hosts'/'IT administrators') over the last three to four years...  Like you I just want to get on with updating robertpirsig.org and 'taking the MOQ further' but there's little I can do about it for now if they're respectively having a breakdown/break-up or simply too busy/looking after elderlty parents or whatever the latest excuse it is...  There's an old phrase: 'If you want something done well, do it yourself'!!! 😉
>>
>> Kind regards all anyway,
>>
>> P.S. Nowadays, I think of this song when thinking of people like Will & Ian (and a few other 'choice' people - some a lot worse than those two btw - I've had the misfortune to encounter in 'The World of the MOQ' over the years):
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV4mg9DMn7k
>> [https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.TGqiieqmF_eGfogZL0G62wHgFo&pid=Api]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV4mg9DMn7k>
>> 'The Ballad Of John And Yoko' By The Beatles (Cover By Amy Slattery)<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV4mg9DMn7k>
>> Hope you enjoy this one! :)
>> www.youtube.com<http://www.youtube.com>
>>
>>
>> www.robertpirsig.org<http://www.robertpirsig.org/<http://www.robertpirsig.org<http://www.robertpirsig.org/>>
>> Robert M Pirsig - Anthony McWatt's Pirsig/MoQ Website<http://www.robertpirsig.org/>
>> ABOUT: Created to support the promotion of and engagement in the life, literary and philosophical works of Robert Pirsig. · Status July 2019 – under new registration and hosting arrangements @ Dreamhost.com (Old resources of robertpirsig.org and pirsig.org partially recovered from web archive and awaiting republication.)· For all content & technical queries – anthonymcwatt at hotmail.com
>> www.robertpirsig.org<http://www.robertpirsig.org>
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>> [MD] Future of MOQ
>> Jan Andersson jananderses at telia.com
>> Sat May 23 05:20:43 PDT 2020
>>
>>
>> All
>>
>> After these mourning years my mind's a bit rusty. I forgot to also mention the essay The Role of Evolution, Time and Order in Robert Pirsig’s "Metaphysics of Quality” by ANTHONY MCWATT of Liverpool University, & ERIC PRIEZKALNS with Responses by ROBERT M. PIRSIG JANUARY 1999
>>
>> If Ant will give acess to the audience of this, and -The MOQ and Time-, I think that it will be a good start for a constructive discussion here. If they, by chance, is considered obsolete, what will there be else to start from?
>>
>> My own book about Money (Time is..? :-) isn’t mentioned anywhere and with it's massive lack of response I think you can leave that.. excerpt one little quotation in it from Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan ch XIII:
>> --- For such is the nature of men, that howsoever they may acknowledge many others to be more witty, or more eloquent, or more learned;
>> Yet they will hardly believe there be many so wise as themselves: For they see their own wit at hand, and other mens at a distance. ---
>>
>> During the years we have been talking around so many aspects on MOQ and Metaphysics. Thousands of intense threads about SOM vs MOQ and so on.
>>
>> Now it is time to look further. The Corona crisis is pointing at some interesting aspects.
>> There are 4 layers in the MOQ perspective of the evolution. Viruses and political issues housed at different levels. One applicable issue to point at the MOQ-perspective could be like this: Why is it impossible to argue with a virus?
>>
>> –
>>
>> Without time there will be no future.
>>
>> Jan-Anders
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