[MF] MOQ: valuable or not?

[Ted Greer]

On Feb 26, 2006, at 1:31 PM, david buchanan wrote:

Ted, Ted and all MFers:

.........But there something else about their reactions I'd like you  
to notice. At one point Sam says, "the MoQ needs to be amended" and  
Kevin says, "I'm perfectly willing to discuss my Christian beliefs  
and my relationship with Jesus.  But I wouldn't expect that kind of  
discussion to shed any light on the MoQ. ..it isn't cogent to  
Pirsig's writings.." Both of these guys know their views aren't very  
compatible with the MOQ, that its gonna clash with the system we're  
here to discuss.  One of my concerns here is that, even if one  
doesn't count the churches or anything else in the brickandmortor  
worl, there are a gazillion places to discuss Christianity. But how  
many places are there for the discussion of the MOQ? Is there more  
than one? Two or three? In any case, I'm quite disturbed that TedG  
might not be the only one to get this impression...

TedG said:
"I started reading this list with the expectation that it would be  
about quality. It mostly isn't. There are a few who seem to have not  
only read Pirsig, but have some understanding of what they read. In  
my opinion, you few are wasting your time, the discussion is  
dominated by people with an agenda. The seem to want Pirsig books to  
support their faith or something similar. I ain't got time or  
interest to support your needs here. I hope you all are at least  
enjoying yourselves, I'm going to find something interesting and  
meaningful to spend this time on."

dmb says:
In fact, five or six months ago somebody alerted me to a kind of  
discussion group search engine for Christians. Apparently, it  
searches the world of virtual conversations for certain key terms so  
that Christian conversations can be found easily. Some of the  
discussion from this forum showed up there. If a surfer had  
discovered this forum through that site without knowing anything  
about Pirisg, it would have been way too easy to jump to the  
conclusion that the MOQ is some kind of Christian philosophy - rather  
than being an anti-theisitc form of philosophical mysticism. I guess  
it was around the same time when I saw that some of the members had  
taken to calling this place GOD.org. instead of MOQ.org. (off-line)  
You know, as a pointed little joke about the nature of the  
converstions here. My point? I'm pretty sure that TedG is not the  
only one to get the wrong impression. I guess the only question is  
how many people have been turned off or discouraged enough by it to  
avoid the place. How many potential contributors have been lost - or  
will be lost -because of this false impression? How many people are  
gonna show up WANTING and expecting a theistic philosophy? And how  
many of them can I scared away with my nastiness? There's got to be a  
limit. This is what worries me most. My capacity for cruelty is  
infinite and I very much enjoy the task, but there's only so much  
time in a day. How will I ever keep up?  ;-)

dmb

David:
I think I understand what it is supposed to be ("an anti-theisitc  
form of philosophical mysticism"(sic), though I would prefer the more  
accurate, but easily misunderstood 'a-theistic'.), and I think I  
understand what it has ,in fact, been since I have been here  
("GOD.org"). So tell me about this 'wrong impression' please.
Thanks,
TedG
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