[MF] Dharmakaya light

Wed Mar 8 06:10:11 PST 2006

Hi Ted and Maggie and all,

I was delighted to see there was some interest in this topic that for 
obvious reasons interests me. I have been a professional photographer 
which makes one much more conscious of light. It is literally the light 
that comes through the lens that makes the photograph and it is usually 
the single most important  factor. I enjoyed and my understanding 
furthered reading about both of your experiences with light. They made 
me realize that I had some experiences like yours that I hadn't quite 
recognized. That cultural filter is still hard at work.

I wanted to share images too and I can do that by putting a couple of 
landscapes on my blog. I've made them with Bryce5 - a 3d program for 
people like me who can't draw. Using it is somewhere between photography 
and painting. I don't have to worry about drawing just like photography, 
but I get to build up the image object by object and choose color and 
texture like a painter.

I don't want to move anything but the image off this discussion forum 
because of the no attachments, no HTML email rule - which I expect 
exists for good reasons. The images are here:

http://www.yankeewombat.com/?p=69

Light is important in both images but in the first predominantly yellow 
picture I think I have produced a kind of overly Romantic result that 
does not reflect direct experiences I have had with the Dharmakaya 
Light. It is true to the feeling of some experiences of early morning 
light involving water, but the second catches the special quality I 
associate with the Dharmakaya Light much better. Significantly I easily 
forget the first image until I see it again. The second is always there 
in my memory.

If Ted or others want to send me an image or two I can use my blog as a 
temporary way to communicate visually. Its new and I have few readers so 
its no biggie. If you want to react to my blogplease use the comments on 
the blog, not the MOQ forum. Better if we had a separate space, but to 
keep the flow going this will do for the moment. Its best if you 
compress any image yourself but I can compress images before posting  if 
you don't know how.  Either way just send them directly to my e-mail 
address at the top of this post.

Lorenz Gude

Ted Greer wrote:
> Hi Maggie,
>
> Thanks for the topic.
> Light is very interesting and, I think, very important for the  
> experience of quality.
>
> Aristotle thought we send energy out from our eyes to see. Alhazen,  
> in Egypt around 1000, is the first one I know about who said light  
> brings information into our eyes.
>
> The Gothic period in Europe (about 1100-1400) was very much  about  
> the mystical properties of light and color (stained glass is the  
> easiest example).
>
> Masaccio and then Leonardo were the real beginning of a (they thought  
> objective) fascination with light and that culminated with Monet in  
> painting, then giving that ('objective') approach to photography.
>
> European art since the renaissance explains a lot of why eurocentric  
> culture has such a hard time with concepts such as dharmakaya light.  
> 'If you can't weigh, measure and quantify it, it ain't important'.
>
> In the 20th century, Artists have tended to deal with light and color  
> directly (Kandinsky, Rothko, Albers, Irwin) Many of these people  
> knew, at least intuitively (Vermeer for example absolutely got it),  
> that light is a path to.................!
>
> TedG
>
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Maggie Hettinger wrote:
>
> Hello, all.
>
> I'm enjoying what I read.  It looks as if personal experience is
> supporting the notion that the DK light is really significant, in
> deep ways.
>
> Pirsig mentions two aspects of the experience that I'm really
> interested in.
>
> One, you've described beautifully:  The notion that the light is
> perceived when something is really, really important, whether we are
> conscious of the importance or not.  The fact of the pupil dilation
> makes it seem a really fundamental human response.  I wondered if
> there's research on that.
>
> The second aspect is the kitten following.  That could be really key,
> but where would we look for it in research?
>
> My own experience with the light includes a conversation with a woman
> who was talking about her vision for our little parish school years
> ago.  I can still see her sitting there, face aglow, light behind her
> hair (coming from where? she wasn't sitting where the light would
> shine behind her).  I know that even though the school is gone, and
> we aren't working together on a regular basis, I still have intense
> feelings about the concepts we initiated, and I also have a different
> kind of feeling for her--respect, loyalty, what?--that is different
> than my connection with other people.
>
> Another example:  I can picture my mentor, when he was dying, but it
> is his face I remember, a glow that reminded me of my daughter's face
> giving birth.  The whole sense was the same.  The intensity, the
> glow, and the importance.
>
> It's funny to just type out sentences about these experiences.  They
> are too important for just a simple statement.
>
> I have a paper I've been working on, one that wants to talk about the
> light in that context, as a fundamental human response.  I don't see
> much about it, but haven't done a serious search, yet.  I'm looking
> for shortcuts, actually.
>
> pax,
> maggie
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