[MD] Intellect's Symposium
MarshaV
valkyr at att.net
Tue Jan 26 18:38:21 PST 2010
Hi John,
I said my train of thoughts went straight to oblivion, not my awareness. It was interesting.
I like patterns, John, especially Bach and Haydn on my iPod.
Marsha
On Jan 26, 2010, at 7:57 PM, John Carl wrote:
> And back to the issue, How is oblivious experience at all preferable or
> reccomendable over awareness?
>
> Pragmatic John
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:21 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> How about this? I pulled a switch and instead of going through awareness,
>> the train of thoughts went straight to oblivion.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:04 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I'm not a religious person and have no idea what a religious experience
>> would be.
>>>
>>> For weeks it felt like something was going to happen, like my mind was
>> squinting, or something, and then it happened. It was visual. I was seeing
>> but their were no thoughts in my head, but I was aware. It was seeing, but
>> not seeing anything. It lasted about 5 minutes, no less, but I don't know
>> for sure. I was flabbergasted because it was so obvious. OMG, unpatterned
>> experience!!! Or, OMG I was totally aware without thinking. And then I
>> began not to believe my own experience, so I did on my own. Naturally, I
>> was excited. The next day I did it again of my own volition. I was
>> overjoyed, of course. It was wonderful. It was amazing. I tried it again
>> about a week later, and made it happen, but I haven't tried it since, which
>> is sad. Life interfered, or more probably I'm lazy and ungrateful. But it
>> was "real". Yet it's no big deal; it's what naturally happens. I guess.
>> Oh, I don't know; I don't know anything.
>>>
>>> I do not often enough sit in meditation, but do try to keep a mindfulness
>> throughout my day. I think there is a relationship, but I'm guessing. I
>> had a very formal meditation practice for a few years and was able to watch
>> my thoughts. I have no trouble saying that's watching patterns flicker
>> through mind, and that is why I go on about Quality (unpatterned experience
>> and patterned experience); both have been experienced.
>>>
>>> Maybe you'll think I have just described indigestion. Maybe if I hadn't
>> had such experiences I'd think the same thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> unMarsha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:58 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>>
>>>> sounds almost like a religious experience Marsha. Did it feel that way?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:26 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was teasing. It never happened while I was formally
>>>>> meditating. I don't know why or how it happened, but
>>>>> it did.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:21 PM, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the 'idea' would be a pattern, but an experience
>>>>>> need not be patterned. Instead of tenderness, try a
>>>>>> little meditation. Or, you once offered to hit me on the
>>>>>> back of the head with a 2x4, may I offer to do the same
>>>>>> to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:03 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you mean I'd find unpatterned experience in Jane Austen? I've
>> read a
>>>>>>> couple of hers, and I have no idea what would qualify.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact, the very idea that anything could qualify as unpatterned, is
>> a
>>>>>>> pattern.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe I'm just too metaphysically picky.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:16 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:04 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's no such thing as
>>>>>>>>> "un-patterned experience"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are such experiences, but not for you. And I'm sure it
>>>>>>>> is being studied as a attribute of meditation.. I bet you might
>>>>>>>> find something in books by James Austin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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