[MD] Reading & Comprehension

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Steve, Andre, All

Steve before 
> No where does Pirsig EVER say that the MOQ is reality. He says Quality
> is reality. You are missing something big here that causes you to say
> all kinds of ridiculous things.
 
He started by saying that the MOQ is reality in the "... no one can avoid 
metaphysics" opening which means that the the way we experience 
reality IS a metaphysics, but then lost heart and shifted to the  SOM-
based "metaphysics as a (subjective) menu that refers to some 
(objective) food. What "eats" (!) me is his making THIS sound as 
some revolutionary insight. Anyway from then on MOQ with its  DQ/SQ 
constellation became an arbitrary subjective, abstraction. An idea ... as  
Andre prefers and believes HE says something profound.   

NB
This capability to stand back as a detached subjects is of enormous 
value and must be preserved as MOQ's 4th level. This way we can 
have its VALUE but avoid its disastrous metaphysical ramifications. 

Andre:
> This is Bodvar's blind-spot Steve (as you well know). He equates the
> MOQ with Quality and therefore with Reality. 

Well, where was quality before the MOQ? It was locked up inside 
SOM's subjective realm as far as I know.

> He refuses to accept that the MOQ is an idea as in Phaedrus' opening
> sentence of chapter 8 in LILA:'The idea that the world is composed of
> nothing but moral value sounds impossible at first'. 

But isn't it the MOQ that postulates that the world is composed ... etc.? 
And further it postulates that in this Quality ocean there has formed 
static waves? 

> Over the years people have been telling him but he does not listen,
> 'we' (including Mr. Pirsig) just do not see the relevatory nature of
> the MOQ, Mr. Pirsig doesn't really understand his own creation, and
> this causes him to continue 'to say all kinds of ridiculous things'.

Hadn't it been for a few of us the MOQ would have gone down in 
history as conveyed by McWatt's and a coming Buchanan doctoral 
dee-James-da-Dewey-dum thesis that will make about as much 
impact as marshmallows. 

Bodvar