[MD] until death do us part

[MarshaV]

Greetings,

Not this, not that.   Just story...   


Marsha





On Jun 9, 2010, at 11:45 AM, MarshaV wrote:

> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Via the  radio waves, the topic rages onward.  This morning the 
> discussion had advanced to the 'science of marriage'.  I did giggle.
> It seems this expert was claiming that the statistics were changing 
> and marriages were strengthening and lengthening.  It was those
> 'damn' baby boomers that had caused the warping towards divorce.
> It was also mentioned that marriage was being delayed until the 
> late '20s.  Certainly marrying when one is mature helps.  I was 
> first married at nineteen.  I was so immature with such happily-
> ever-after expectations that the marriage was doomed.  And, of 
> course, there was that 'I am woman hear me roar' attitude that 
> made me consider things other than dusting.  Bless Betty Friedan!!!
> 
> John, you make a good point about education.  My second marriage 
> was on a slight slippery slope when two pieces of valuable information 
> came my way, one was definitely ZMM which shifted my point-of-view.
> The other was discovering I was a type (INTP) which meant my 
> husband was a different type.  A simple thing like that made me realize
> that people had different points-of-view.  Then I became very 
> interested in learning how he must experience the world.  The marriage 
> became new again.   The meaning of everything shifted to a better, more
> interesting point-of-view.   It didn't help my kids, though, I was too soon 
> stupid and too late smart.  
> 
> 
> 
> Bye John,
> 
> 
> Marsha
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> On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:36 AM, John Carl wrote:
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>> I have a simple answer for what the intellectual level can do - Teach!
>> 
>> We spend a lot of time in high school on many different subjects - almost
>> none on two of the most important and intertwined life skills -
>> child-rearing and marriage - that are the most central to human existence.
>> 
>> Intelligence and luck both have a lot to do with success in these
>> all-important endeavors, but I'm betting that education would help a lot.
>> 
>> Likewise, understanding the levels structure helps us make more rational
>> weighings of the wisdom of hooking up with a particular partner.
>> 
>> When I got married the first time, I hadn't read ZAMM or Lila yet and that
>> marriage was a disaster.  When I met Lu, I had a firm grasp of the MoQ and
>> that marriage has been a success.  Correlation or causation?
>> 
>> That's the tricky thing about empiricism, it gives us facts, but WE must
>> give the meaning.
>> 
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>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:16 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Greetings All,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for responding.  It is good to hear of long-lived marriages that
>>> still have value.
>>> Maybe my question is in what can the intellectual level do to help the
>>> social level with a
>>> pattern such as marriage.  Possibly by intelligent individuals setting a
>>> good example?
>>> But that doesn't seem right.  Luck seems a better answer.  But, but but...
>>> 
>>> When I consider the levels, I see their association with evolution as a
>>> practical enticement
>>> to the West to introduce/consider a monism based on Value to replace a
>>> dualism based
>>> on subjects and objects.  I cannot understand how the level structure
>>> actually helps make
>>> improvement other than hypothetically.  How can the level structure be
>>> anything but stepping
>>> stones to a Quality?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
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