[MD] Reading & Incomprehension

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Andre

14 June 

Bodvar:
> I understand, but for Heaven sake WHY? (introduce the QUALITY/MOQ
> meta-metaphysics 

> Andre:
> Because one is from a static perspective and the other from a dynamic
> perspective. Please Bodvar, you do realize the (experiential)
> difference between the two?!

You dear fool, if it is "static" to declare the DQ/SQ ordering of reality, 
then declaring a QUALITY/MOQ ordering is just as "static". Please 
yourself come to your senses.  

Bodvar:
> The SOL interpretation has much less "bits and pieces" that the
> Quality/MOQ one.
 
> Andre:
> Clearly not because to accommodate your SOL interpretation you have to
> invent a new level from somewhere which messes up a wonderful MOQ.

No new levels whatsoever. In the much harped-on "in-out-turn" SOM 
became the intellectual level, no longer is it a somish "mind" which is 
needed for ideas to "reside" inside. The MOQ reality is the DQ/SQ 
configuration. Period! 

Bodvar:
> As shown in "The Summary" the Quality/MOQ is created by Pirsig.
 
Andre:
> Yes, and he is very consistent. YOU are the one that makes it into a
> meta-metaphysics.

Yes, I call it meta-meta  because it makes the MOQ part of a greater 
system. It has bothered me since Pirsig - in a effort to be more 
Buddhist than Buddha himself - began his undermining of the MOQ.

Bodvar:
> Problem with you is not having understanding the initial metaphysical
> inside-out turn that makes value the base of everything, thus static
> value is value too while you treat SQ as some latter-day equivalent of
> SOM's "objective".
 
Andre:
> And this is entirely your interpretation of the 'inside-out turn' and
> SQ as having a so called 'objective' status. The IDEA that there were
> inorganic- and organic patterns of value before sentience is a high
> quality intellectual pattern of value because of empirical/scientific
> evidence.

This is the unbearable nonsense of many "Lila's Child" annotations. 
"Ideas" ...phew, the pet of the SOM instigator Plato. 
   

Bodvar: