[MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

[John Carl]

Hey,  good point Ron.



On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:54 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:

> Fellas,
> A huge point in all this, is that once you take away the interpretive
> arguement of what Pirsig says, and allow SOL to stand on it's own
> merit, it quickly dissolves into thin air.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: ARLO J BENSINGER JR <ajb102 at psu.edu>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 3:48:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics
>
> [Platt]
> Perhaps you'll recall that Pirsig cautioned us not to take his
> Johnny-come-lately definition of intellect as a "Papal Bull.
>
> [Arlo]
> This is just nonsense. I take nothing Pirsig said as "papal bull". I take
> what
> he said and I decide if I agree with it, or if I do not.
>
> It is clear Pirsig does not regard the intellectual level as SOM. He has
> stated
> so outright.
>
> You can (as you do) disagree with him. No harm there. I disagree with him
> on
> some things well.
>
> But you can NOT claim he ever meant this. He himself has said he did not.
>
> So there is Pirsig's MOQ, in which SOM is just one intellectual pattern.
> And
> there is Bo's MOQ, in which SOM is the entire intellectual level.
>
> They are two distinct ideas. You can argue all you want that Bo's is
> better. It
> may be. It may not be. That is an argument that is valid.
>
> But you can't argue that Bo's MOQ is what Pirsig "meant". That is
> incorrect.
> And that is an argument that is not valid.
>
> [Platt]
> If you consider the intellectual level as the home of every idea ever
> conceived, you rip the heart out of the MOQ and kill its liberating
> significance.
>
> [Arlo]
> And Pirsig has said that the SOL undermines the MOQ.
>
> Again, you disagree with Pirsig's MOQ and think Bo's MOQ is better. Fine. I
> disagree, however, and think on this issue that Pirsig is correct.
>
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