[MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) as Power

[Case]

> gav said:
> the MOQ is an explicit metaphysics with a mystical (implicit)
> summit/centre/source. the MOQ has a spiritual dimension: 'spirit' implying
> a higher order or intelligence at work. **does anyone disagree with this?

[Case]
Yes

> dmb says:
> But I think we do need a word that refers to forms of consciousness that
go beyond conventional thinking. Following Ken Wilber, I see
spirituality as the higher end of cognitive development, something that
is supposed to take us beyond logic and rationality. So, yea, I'd say it
implies a higher order of intelligence, but its a natural, human
intelligence and not a seperate or supernatural being.

> How's that?

[Case]
I agree with the part about no separate intelligences and no
"supernatural" but rationality and logic are what take us out of the gooey
emotional, feeling talk that spirituality ulimately leads to. rationality
should not surplant emotion but when the two work in Harmony... ah, there
is that word again.