[MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) as Power

[ian glendinning]

DMB,

GOF is simply "Good Old Fashioned".
By GOF Rationality, I simply mean the rationality of received wisdom
since the renaissance ... Cartesian, logical positivist, SOMist,
choose your flavour and preferred naming convention that insists the
objective exists distinct from the spiritual / aesthetic ...
pre-Pirsigian.

Ian

On 8/7/06, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ian:
>
> What is "GOF" rationality?
>
> dmb
>
>
> >From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron at gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >Subject: Re: [MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience,and Religion (SQ)
> >as Power
> >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:28:27 -0500
> >
> >DMB, Gav,
> >
> >Higher order intelligence (beyond logic and GOF-rationality) is for me
> >the upper reaches of the MoQ "intellectual" level, the "natural"
> >culmiation of evolution of anything anywhere ...
> >
> >So agreed, not supernatural, in relation to existing human intellect,
> >and not (necessarily) limited to individual human brains. (Remember
> >separate "beings" don't exist anyway ... no independent reality ...
> >See Dan's thread .... only emergence / dependent arising.)
> >
> >Spiritual evolution of intelligence has happened in parallel with the
> >GOF-rational intelligence, it's just tended to be disconnected,
> >relegated by recent tradition to being a separate thread - whereas we
> >know they are part of an integrated whole.
> >
> >Ian
> >
> >On 8/7/06, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > gav said:
> > > the MOQ is an explicit metaphysics with a mystical (implicit)
> > > summit/centre/source. the MOQ has a spiritual dimension: 'spirit'
> >implying a
> > > higher order or intelligence at work. **does anyone disagree with this?
> > >
> > > dmb says:
> > > I use words like "spiritual" when talking about the MOQ, but feel like I
> > > gotta be very careful with it. In the Copleston annotations, Pirsig
> >objects
> > > to the notion of theistic god, to the human soul (except as a literary
> > > expression) and he objects to the idea of a "spirit" insofar as it is
> > > concieved as something supernatural. And I think its not very hard to
> >see
> > > why he might object to these theological concepts.
> > >
> > > But I think we do need a word that refers to forms of consciousness that
> >go
> > > beyond conventional thinking. Following Ken Wilber, I see spirituality
> >as
> > > the higher end of cognitive development, something that is supposed to
> >take
> > > us beyond logic and rationality. So, yea, I'd say it implies a higher
> >order
> > > of intelligence, but its a natural, human intelligence and not a
> >seperate or
> > > supernatural being.
> > >
> > > How's that?
> > >
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