[MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) as Power

[david buchanan]

Ian:

What is "GOF" rationality?

dmb


>From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Subject: Re: [MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience,and Religion (SQ) 
>as Power
>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:28:27 -0500
>
>DMB, Gav,
>
>Higher order intelligence (beyond logic and GOF-rationality) is for me
>the upper reaches of the MoQ "intellectual" level, the "natural"
>culmiation of evolution of anything anywhere ...
>
>So agreed, not supernatural, in relation to existing human intellect,
>and not (necessarily) limited to individual human brains. (Remember
>separate "beings" don't exist anyway ... no independent reality ...
>See Dan's thread .... only emergence / dependent arising.)
>
>Spiritual evolution of intelligence has happened in parallel with the
>GOF-rational intelligence, it's just tended to be disconnected,
>relegated by recent tradition to being a separate thread - whereas we
>know they are part of an integrated whole.
>
>Ian
>
>On 8/7/06, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > gav said:
> > the MOQ is an explicit metaphysics with a mystical (implicit)
> > summit/centre/source. the MOQ has a spiritual dimension: 'spirit' 
>implying a
> > higher order or intelligence at work. **does anyone disagree with this?
> >
> > dmb says:
> > I use words like "spiritual" when talking about the MOQ, but feel like I
> > gotta be very careful with it. In the Copleston annotations, Pirsig 
>objects
> > to the notion of theistic god, to the human soul (except as a literary
> > expression) and he objects to the idea of a "spirit" insofar as it is
> > concieved as something supernatural. And I think its not very hard to 
>see
> > why he might object to these theological concepts.
> >
> > But I think we do need a word that refers to forms of consciousness that 
>go
> > beyond conventional thinking. Following Ken Wilber, I see spirituality 
>as
> > the higher end of cognitive development, something that is supposed to 
>take
> > us beyond logic and rationality. So, yea, I'd say it implies a higher 
>order
> > of intelligence, but its a natural, human intelligence and not a 
>seperate or
> > supernatural being.
> >
> > How's that?
> >
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