[MD] sq social - sq intellectual

[Gene M]

> Would I be correct to presume that you disagree with the following
> statement by Mr. Pirsig?
>
> "The idea that biological crimes can be ended by intellect alone, that
> you can talk crime to death, doesn't work. Intellectual patterns cannot
> directly control biological patterns. Only social patterns can control
> biological patterns, and the instrument of conversation between society
> and biology is not words. The instrument of conversation between
> society and biology has always been a policeman or a soldier and his
> gun." (Lila, 24)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Platt


It is completely correct! If someone attempts a terrorist action, shoot him.
Biological vs. biological. But terrorism isn't purely biological. Like I
said previously, it is an Idea. A belief system. And to fight against that,
we need to undermine and attack those Ideas.

Unfortunately for us the ideas are built in such a fashion that opposing
them with biological force is what causes them to grow in the minds of the
ennemy.

Their ideas are floating in a bucket. When you smash them with your fist
they pop back up at you harder than ever before. And That is the thing we
need to undermine. We need to destroy the belief in their ideals, and
destroy the support given to them in people's minds.

Destroying people's homes and communities does not help us win their minds.

Platt:

I would submit that Islamic Fascism does not support dominance of social
> values
> over biological values, nor does Islam support dominance of intellectual
> values
> over social values. Thus, by terms of the MOQ moral hierarchy, Western
> cultures
> are morally superior to Islamic cultures. Islamic cultures are changeable
> as
> witness the effort by many in Iraq to establish a democracy where the
> intellectual
> values of free speech and freedom of religion from state interference
> would
> guaranteed by law.
>

And I am here to say that they do Precisely that! In fact islam has a much
stronger control over the biological than western society does! They
restrict their diet, don't drink, don't have wanton sex, and fast for
societal reasons. Sure, to us many of these things seem repressive. But they
Are societal values subordinating and dominating biological values. Islam
does a much better job of this than we do.

You're pretty much spot on about the intellectual values over societal
values being lacking there. And that's where we should come in. We should be
giving them Ideas. If you can't fight biological forces with intellectual
values, then what the hell makes you think we should fight intellectual
forces with biological values?!

It makes no sense I tell you. Biological force from us only strengthens the
societal and existing intellectual powers that be, because that is how they
are constructed.

The harder we punch, the harder they will punch back. One of us is gonna
have to stop, and I don't think they're capable of it.

-Gene