[MD] Quantum Physics

[David M]

Hi Ant/Laird

I'm with Laird on this and I think Ant
is thinking about quantum behaviour
too reductionistically. Penrose certainly
thinks that the collapse of the wave
function may be very closely aligned
to what consiousness 'does' and
the emergence of the actual from
a broadly spread range of possibiltities
is what I'd describe DQ as doing.
DQ idoes not provide change by
disturbing SQ, rather it is able to
draw on a vast realm of possibilties to
populate what we know as actual.
Consciousness is unifies SQ and DQ
and is no more tha SQ and DQ unified
or in tension, and SQ and DQ is nature-it-itself
and is not absent at any level, the point of
interction between the possible and the actual
that quantum thoery clearlyconfronts has to
be played out at all levels so I cannot see
any reduction by Laird here.

It is all ripples of the Nothing.

DavId M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ant McWatt" <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: [MD] Quantum Physics


> >From: Laird Bedore stated November 30th:
>>
>>I'm pulling this straight from the sky with a wide-open invitation to
>>cut it up into little bits:
>>
>>Quantum Physics is the attempt to understand the interaction-point
>>between DQ and SQ.
>
>
> Laird,
>
> Regarding the MOQ, I think it would be better to say that quantum physics 
> is
> solely concerned with explaining and manipulating inorganic static quality
> patterns _at the micro-level_ rather than the interaction-point between
> _all_ DQ and SQ.
>
> To say quantum physics is "The interaction point between [all] DQ and SQ"
> doesn't seem to lay right with me as that same sentence could be 
> describing
> the continual interaction between an artist and a canvass or other
> interactions which are part of the macro world (for instance, in the
> biological and social realms) rather the micro world.  In other words, the
> definition you give above is too reductionist (towards ontological
> materialism)!
>
> In addition to the work of John D. Barrow previously mentioned, I should
> have also directed you to "Subjects, Objects, Data and Values" which is
> Pirsig's own paper on the MOQ and quantum physics (given at the 1995
> Einstein meets Magritte Conference).  It can be found on the Forum page at
> moq.org.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> .
>
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