[MD] Social Imposition ?

[David M]

Hi Arlo

I say: yes and no too. Is not what we mean by SQ the removal
of DQ. Do not cells in their cellness (a type not an individual) behave in a 
uniform way
as non-individuals, repeating, predictable, law-like SQ?

Cells with DQ become cancers? The dark side of DQ perhaps?
We all know there is emergence and dis-emergence.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arlo Bensinger" <ajb102 at psu.edu>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Social Imposition ?


> [David M]
> Is there a question here about what can be a source of DQ? I
> understand individuals can be a source of DQ, so do collectives only
> preserve & accumulate SQ?
>
> [Arlo]
> The misconception here arises from isolating "individuals" and
> "collectives". An individual inorganic pattern is capable of
> responding to DQ, but not in the same way an individual biological
> pattern is capable. An atom has a very limited repertoire of
> responses, but when they do follow DQ into collectivizing as "cells"
> those emergent patterns (individual biological patterns) have a
> drastically increased repertoire of responses. But then you see cells
> follow DQ and collectively form bodies and that "individual body" (a
> collective of individual cells) has a still greater repertoire of 
> responses.
>
> So the answer is both yes and no, individuals (which emerge from
> collectives) respond to DQ through the repertoire of choices they
> have. Evolutionarily, the movement has been towards creating "more
> advanced individual patterns" (again, by virtue of collectivization)
> that can respond to DQ with greater choice than the individual
> patterns of which they are composed. In this, everything is BOTH an
> individual AND a collective. This is why the dichotomy is so
> fallacious and misleading. Collectives are a source of DQ, your body
> is a collective and it is capable of responding to biological
> quality. But here we call your "body" an "individual" precisely
> because the collective activity of those cells has given emergence to
> a pattern that functions as a single unit when viewed from a higher
> level of analysis, and on that level of analysis can respond with
> greater repertoire to DQ than is possible by the individual patterns
> we call "cells" (which are really collectives as well, we only think
> of them as "individuals" for the same reason, that the collective
> activity of the cells components has given emergence to a pattern
> that functions as a single unit when viewed from a higher level of
> analysis, and on that level of analysis can respond with greater
> repertoire to DQ than is possible by the individual patterns that
> make up the cell.)
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