[MD] The Fringe Factor
pholden at davtv.com
pholden at davtv.com
Thu Oct 12 17:16:04 PDT 2006
Quoting Micah <micah at roarkplumbing.com>:
> Platt,
>
> If you die tonight, could you prove that your cat exists?
No. But my neighbor could and she'll be glad to tell you.
> If your cat gets burned and yowls, what kind of pain is he feeling? Searing,
> stabbing, tingling, aching? Since it is clear to you the pain he is feeling,
> please describe the pain in detail. And while you're at it, I'm thinking of
> a number between 1 and 100 - which number is it? Since you can read cats
> minds, humans minds should be easy. Here's a hint - it's a high number.
I can't even describe my own pain much less yours or my cats. But if I find
you doubled over, clutching your stomach while blood is oozing through your
fingers, I can reasonable assume you are hurting.
> Yes, I am an egoist. An egotist would assume to know the thoughts of other
> animals, after assuming that they had thoughts. I don't.
No. I egoist would assume that if he doesn't see my cat, my cat doesn't exist.
> I don't believe in god, however I do know that the past is part of man's
> reality.
>
> This is not either/or. Reality does not exist without us, and we do not
> control reality.
>
> I repeat - nothing can be shown to exist independent of humans. "Shown",
> "evidence", "proof" imply humans.
>
> To believe that something exists without evidence, or proof is called faith.
> I don't have a faith, but apparently you do.
If a skeleton of a person isn't evidence of a person who once existed, I don't
know the meaning of evidence. To believe nothing exists unless a human says so
is a humongous leap of faith.
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