[MD] What's missing

[Ron Kulp]

>Mati: Perhaps I reading into this, but are you saying that real 
>intellect has no dualistic perspective. I guess here is a question for 
>you and the group, is it possible to have an intellect value that isn't

>part of a dualistic understanding of reality?

Marsh:
I was suggesting that one can have a direct, nondualistic experience 
that is prior to, or separate from, intellect.   But then when you 
try to think or talk about it, you get tangled in the culture's
dualistic static pattern of value.

It seems to me that intellect coexists with language, and in the West 
they are both predicated on a subject/object point-of-view.   I've 
wondered about your question too.  Maybe there are non-Western cultures
that are not built on dualistic understanding.  Poetry is 
often non-dualistic.  Right?   Native American?  I would love to here 
from other too.

Ron:
I think you were right on from the beginning. I feel the term
"non-dualistic culture" itself is
 a contradiction In terms. But In the Japanese martial arts, zazen is
practiced in combat. It 
Utilizes the pre-intellectual experience to be a more profiecent
swordsman. Intellect in the
Heat of combat costs you your life that is not to say that intellect is
discouraged it is that
The wise know when to use it and when not to. This is one thing that has
surprised me about 
The MOQ. That more attention has not been paid to how the martial arts
utilizes pre-intellect
And has done so for hundreds of years. The higher martial arts refer to
it as formless form.
A kinda corny but applicable example is Bruce lee. He was a huge
advocate of pre-intellectual 
awareness. His last film "Game of Death" is about how formless form is
used to defeat a heirarchy,
 he wears a yellow Jumpsuit to denote this formlessness and pragmatic
fighting style which adapts 
to each situation, an intellctual form can not do this and thus is
vunerable. 



   


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