[MD] Falling out of Time/Space

gav gav_gc at yahoo.com.au
Sun Aug 17 20:25:13 PDT 2008 

heya,

> 
> But I don't see why, how or for what reason you would
> get the feeling of all
> temporal events happening at once or why timelessness would
> feel eternal. I
> would think timelessness would feel like death or dreamless
> sleep. No fun in
> that and certainly not much entertainment value in the
> narrative. 

i guess, as marsha has pointed out, your life can flash before your eyes. 'life' 'flash' - strange isn't it - the idea that your whole life can happen in a flash....but that's how it happens - that's the truth of the experience.

timelessness means eternity. the definition of timelessness is eternity.
time is finite/ timelessness is infinite. sq/dq

psychedelic drugs can help produce timeless feelings and they do feel 'eternal' - as if there is an ocean of 'now'. however it is a better idea to discipline the mind through diet, exercise, meditation, yoga etc and reach the timeless dimension this way. 

maybe another way to describe all this is to equate the mythos with the eternal and the logos with the temporal....



> 
> Krimel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MarshaV [mailto:marshalz at charter.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:05 PM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Space
> 
> 
> Gav, Krimel,
> 
> Speaking of falling.  I made one freefall.  It was only 10
> seconds 
> and I counted the seconds to pull my ripcord.  But those
> seconds were 
> very, very long.  I remember thinking that one could easily
> see their 
> whole life pass before them in a few seconds.  I was still
> counting 
> those seconds, but it felt like consciousness spread 
> sideways/horizontal and there was lots of room of multiple
> thoughts 
> at the same time.  It was amazing.
> 
> It was my last jump of the season.  The next spring my
> first jump was 
> static line.  When I landed (in a cow field) I broke my
> ankle and 
> that was the end of that.
> 
> You don't forget an experience like that.  Maybe it was
> so 
> unforgettable because it was only one jump.
> 
> Anyway...
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> At 06:45 PM 8/17/2008, you wrote:
> >okay...i see.
> >well i guess technically speaking everything that has
> happened or 
> >will ever happen happens 'now'. that is the now
> contains all temporal
> events.
> >so...in theory it may be possible to travel
> back/forward in time, in 
> >some manner of speaking.
> >i don't think you can get separated from time - the
> eternal is what 
> >encompasses and sustains time - infinite time if you
> like. to be 
> >timeless is to be in eternity - the basic primordial
> flux devoid of 
> >any conceptual differentiation. maybe we visit this
> dimension in 
> >dreams....perhaps thatiis what it feels like to be a
> time traveller.
> >
> >
> >
> >--- On Mon, 18/8/08, Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Scace
> > > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > > Received: Monday, 18 August, 2008, 8:30 AM
> > > I was thinking more along the line of becoming
> actually
> > > disconnected from
> > > space time. You are sounding more like Donnie
> Darko kind of
> > > unstuck or Adian
> > > Quinn in the Jacket kind of unstuck. I mean what
> if you
> > > could move your
> > > existence along the temporal dimension like Dr.
> Who does.
> > > Back and forth. In
> > > time.
> > >
> > >
> > > heya,
> > >
> > > > So conceptually, abstractly how would your
> perceptions
> > > be
> > > > changed if you
> > > > fell out or became unhinged from time/space
> in say, a
> > > non a
> > > > priori way?
> > > >
> > >
> > > time is subject to dilation/contraction,
> depending upon
> > > your state of mind.
> > > when meditating time seems to lose its linear
> regularity.
> > > two hours can seem
> > > like a lot shorter. same sorta thing with
> marijuana or acid
> > > - time dilates.
> > >
> > > being 'in the zone' is one name for a
> non-linear
> > > time experience. when in
> > > the zone' it seems like one has plenty of
> time - to see
> > > the ball etc. time
> > > is slower for you than for your non-zoned
> opponent.
> > >
> > > i suppose that extreme meditators get close to a
> no-time
> > > experience - for
> > > the 'now' is eternal.
> > >
> > >
> > > so i don't think you explode...or if you do
> it is a
> > > subtle explosion.
> > >
> > >
> > > > How might it affect your flow rate?
> > > > All at once?
> > > > Wouldn't you explode?
> > > > Conceptually speaking of course.
> > > > Krimel
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------
> > > > Gav said:
> > > > time and space are patterns abstracted from
> > > experience,
> > > > like all others.
> > > > they are not a priori categories of
> perception a la
> > > kant.
> > > >
> > > > in other words time and space, inextricably
> linked of
> > > > course, are perceptual
> > > > constructs. they are conceptual.
> > > >
> > > > this is why time flows at different rates
> dependent
> > > upon
> > > > the state of the
> > > > perceiver. 'to see eternity in an
> hour...'
> > > >
> > > > time is so everything doesn't happen at
> once.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 18/8/08, Krimel
> <Krimel at Krimel.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I would say that Dr. Who has some of
> the best
> > > > speculation
> > > > > available on that
> > > > > question. He has been bouncing back and
> forth
> > > across
> > > > his
> > > > > own time line for
> > > > > what; 30 something years now? Unless I
> am
> > > mistaken he
> > > > is
> > > > > locked along the
> > > > > same time continuum for some reason of
> another.
> > > But
> > > > > didn't he skip into
> > > > > another timeline once or twice?
> > > > >
> > > > > STNG did a great episode that was like.
> the many
> > > > worlds of
> > > > > Worf, once.
> > > > > Worf's of many different quantum
> worlds
> > > appears at
> > > > > once. I recall that
> > > > > Voyager's from two timelines met
> and
> > > eventually
> > > > one of
> > > > > the Janeways had to
> > > > > sacrifice her crew and ship to save the
> other.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I really fell out of time/space I am
> not sure
> > > if
> > > > > experience would even be
> > > > > sequential.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know! Where do you guys
> think you
> > > would be
> > > > if
> > > > > you fell out of
> > > > > time/space?
> > > >
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