[MD] Commie Talk and USA bashing?

[Platt Holden]

> Platt:
> > Who is to say that someone's quest for knowledge will undermine
> society?
> 
> Chris:
> I know what you're getting at Platt, you want to say that if you decide 
> something and put it down as a low that's too static and devoid of Dynamic
> etc etc. But it would be that same as what you are speaking for today - 
> intellectually arisen laws that guide society. And Democracy.

The question is, "Who is to say someone's quest for knowledge will 
undermine society?" Citizens by vote? Citizens' representatives? A ruling 
group of elites? A beneficent dictator?    

> Platt:
> > What is the core of Marxism?
> 
> Chris:
>  The core of Marxism is the idea that we humans can reorganise ourselves
> and 
> the way we live, the way our society is made up. The idea is that we can
> make the shift from a human society that is based on and circles around
> the 
> accumulation of material wealth to one where this is not a goal in itself.
> At the core lies the idea that if we can change the social norms (the
> social 
> static values)  in that society, then we can create a better future for 
> humanity. The idea is a balanced MOQ society, where there is balance
> between 
> the levels, but where they are ordered  hierarchal just the way they
> should, 
> and thus not a society where social level values such as profit is allowed
> to dictate how people can develop their understanding of things.

The core of Marxism is specifically described in the Communist Manifesto. 
Do you find anything objectionable in those Marxist principles? 
 
> Chris:
> >> And please, no Quotes. Pirsig is not Jesus.
> 
> Platt:
> > Are you saying Pirsig doesn't understand his own metaphysics?
> 
> Chris:
> I'm saying "What most people here doesn't seem to understand is that Lila
> (and ZMM) is a book where the foundation of a philosophy is laid. In
> between 
> that there is
> a lot of examples of how the author tries to place things he sees around
> him
> within the frames of that philosophy - but that - no matter how nicely
> written - is only examples from one mans view. The MOQ is much, much
> larger
> than both Lila, ZMM and Mr Pirsig himself." - to Quote myself.

I take it then that you believe Pirsig has a limited understanding of his 
own philosophy and that if he were only more enlightened, he would support 
the principles of the Communist Manifesto.   
 
> A question for you then:
> 
> Do you think that anything can BE Dynamic?
 
Great art, by transcending the subject-object divide, can BE Dynamic.
"The arts explore the Conceptually Unknown in other ways to create patterns 
such as music, literature, painting, that reveal the Dynamic Quality that 
produced them." (Pirsig-SODV)