[MD] Many Avatars, Many Selves

[MarshaV]

Oooops! :-[


At 09:09 AM 9/18/2008, you wrote:


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>At 08:42 AM 9/18/2008, you wrote:
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>>[Ron]
>>As you just demonstrated, it is a matter of degree and perspective as
>>to exactly what constitutes "harm". Ones harm is another's creative
>>play. Where's the line? who draws it?
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>>[Arlo]
>>Here, in Azeroth, in Norrath, the answer is the same, you do.
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>>[Ron]
>>So if I draw the line at false identities who are you to call this
>>value an illusion that is not real?
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>>[Arlo]
>>You can think what you want, but when you impose on ME a realness
>>that does not exist, that is where I step up and call it an illusion.
>>If you wanted to think, for example, that my body determines my
>>gender, go ahead. But if you tell others "the real Arlo is X" based
>>on this, and make the claim that my gender otherwise is pretend or
>>false, then I step up, most certainly. In other words, *I* determine
>>what is "real" about "me". You can accept it or reject it, but you
>>can't tell ME what is "real" and what is "not". But why don't you go
>>ahead and tell me what a "false identity" is. What makes one "false"
>>and another "real"? You continue to attack my position without
>>articulating any alternative.
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>>So do so now, Ron. What is a "real identity"? How do we determine
>>what it is? What makes one identity "false" and another "real"? Give
>>me something to use to make this determination.
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>>Ron:
>>it makes all this shit a matter of opinion so before I bow out of
>>ball of garbage...
>>MY opinion of a false identity is composing an identity which is not
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>>on personal experience an identity that has no social context.
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>>[Ron]
>>Obviously you have never been raped or abused or you'd see the
>>ridiculousness of that statement.
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>>[Arlo continues to talk about something he has not experienced
>>like the pompous authority on everything he is]
>>No, I've never been raped. But one of my closest friends has been a
>>rape counselor for years. And I've had other, intimate, exposures to
>>this in my life as well. Rape is a crime against the body. Much of
>>the trauma to the self results from conflating this assault with an
>>assault on the "self". It is not. Healing begins with that
>>recognition. When someone close to me was raped, she was the first to
>>say, "my body was raped, but *I* was not". I have seen the ravages on
>>others who are unable to disambiguate the act against their body from
>>an act against themselves. If the "self" is destroyed in this act,
>>Ron, it is because the self allowed itself to be, and it does so by
>>confusing itself with its body.
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>>Ron:
>>Maybe YOUR experience was an assault on your body but MY own
>>experience was not. Don't tell me what  I experienced
>>you pompous ass.
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>>(Arlo keeps on with his bad self)
>>I'll be sure to tell my friend that "she" was, in fact, raped along
>>with her body. But here again you lapse into rhetoric that makes me
>>question my civility. I am trying, Ron, really trying to have a civil
>>conversation with you, but you ain't makin' it easy. You want to
>>start playing these games? You want to start with the little attacks
>>and snide comments, well then so be it. From here on out, I'll give
>>what I get, you want civility, then you better start giving it back.
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>>Ron:
>>I'm game, lets see what you have, cock sucker.
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>>(Arlo tells me how weak I am for being traumatized)
>>Which he can only do if I let him, if I am so weak that I allow him
>>to, if I am so caught up in conflating my body and my self. No one
>>can destroy my personhood, Ron, unless I allow them to. But I'll be
>>sure to tell my friend that her personhood was destroyed too. She
>>tells me it was not, but if you say it was it must've been.
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>>Ron:
>>You are really unbelievable in your rhetoric and tactic
>>you self inflated blow-hard.
>>Blah, Blah, Blah, if you haven't been there then shut the fuck up.
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