[MD] What is SOM?
skutvik at online.no
skutvik at online.no
Thu Aug 27 09:07:01 PDT 2009
John, Steve, All
25 Aug.:
Steve had said
> > I don't think SOM is a value-free metaphysics at all. It's just that
> > SOM has a hard time dealing with values because they don't fit
> > neatly into the subjective-objective scheme of things.
Agree generally, see below for particulars.
John said
> Yes you are right. SOM does recognize the existence of subjective
> values. But you are also wrong. SOM has no problem with fitting values
> into its worldview - Quality is whatever you like
I'm a bit frustrated by questions what SOM is and what it recognizes..
We know that it is the conviction that existence's deepest ground is the
subject/object divide, but we also know that when the metaphysical
"M" is conquered by the MOQ the residual S/O is a VALUE and then
the question is where inside MOQ's static hierarchy does it belong?
And in my opinion it is the intellectual level: all of it, every last bit.
Re."Quality is whatever you like". In SOM's heyday, after it had
reached the mind/matter stage with Descartes, its built-in
inconsistency became more visible and started to bother philosophy in
the form of empiricism that pointed to the paradox of an external reality
void of qualities, all this being provided by the subject. So SOM had
lots of problems beyond the "I like potatoes, while you like tomatoes"
plane. .
> SOM doesn't include the notion that values don't exist, though it does
> include a view of science as a value-free endeavor .....
The MOQ challenged SOM by postulating a different existential
fundament, namely Quality itself in the form of its Dynamic/Static
divide and dissolved all SOM's platypuses by making the residual S/O
its own intellectual level. This level's good is"objectivity" with
subjectivity its "bad".Consequently it's wrong to say that science is
value-free, there isn't any such thing in the MOQ, as mentioned its
value is the detached objective attitude and shuns the
bigoted,subjective ditto.
> ....and Reason as a value-free essence.
By making DQ/SQ =Reality and Reason intellect's "good" it's not
value-free, rather the highest and best only subordinate to the DQ/SQ
reality.
IMO
Bodvar
More information about the Moq_Discuss
mailing list