[MD] Intellect Worship

[KAYE PALM-LEIS]

Bodvar,

> Mati:
>> For myself, being "intellectual" is a reflective process of the
>> understanding the world around us.
>
> Bo:This leads to the "intellectual caveman". All human beings have had
> an understanding of "their world" since time immemorial, I'd say this
> relentless interpretation of existence  is what characterizes the social
> (human being) level.

Mati: So we are clear there is a difference between intellectual and
intellect.  IHO intellectual is a process, thinking if you like,
intellect is the specific function of S/O divide.  I believe we could
theoretically given various human IQ tests over time periods from the
caveman to the present and found a growth in the intellectual capacity
of humans.  The caveman may have in fact had some intellectual
capacity but possessed none of intellect's values. However it is was
probably this "relentless interpretation of existence" that may have
form the earliest of religious or spiritual awareness. I don't know if
was a product of SOM because SOM (intellect) had not been formulated
yet.  Perhaps you could comment.

>> Mati: What
>> we reflect about tends to range from the meaning of life to all the
>> details related and interrelated to life.  Our limits of our
>> understanding and the "individual level" tends to be a fallout of SOM.
>> This "reverence" for intellect, from my perspective tends to be the
>> level of intellect using the social level for its own purpose for
>> better or for worse.  Again from my perspective MOQ is valued when it
>> delivers us from the limiting bonds of SOM.

Bo:
> As known we are (of) all levels and use our intelligence (thinking) as
> much socially and biologically as intellectual, the latter when we make
> an effort to be as impartial, calm and detached as possible shunning
> emotions and even lower impulses from interfering.

Mati: Yes the effort is made to be impartial, calm and detached, but
we, even as we are using intellect, can not be devoid of the emotions
or social values that support it. Even Dr. Spock, impartial, calm and
detached as he was, had to function with a crew that functioned using
emotions and various social values that did not follow logic.


>> Mati: I would rewrite this to say, "Instead I think the MOQ is about
>> integrating a better/clearer understanding of the biological, social,
>> intellectual, and dynamic aspects of ourselves rather than being
>> dominated by intellects (SOM) patterns.
>
> Bo: Agree with Mati, only that the terms (inorganic, biological, social and
> intellectual) changes to "static patterns of quality" through the initial
> in-out turn of our metaphysical sock. The great temptation is to regard
> SOM's matter as to be MOQ's inorganic level because this leads to
> SOM's mind being MOQ's intellectual level which is the fallacy that
> still haunts us. Q-intellect has nothing to do with thinking per se, but
> about suppressing social values

Mati: Yes suppression is part of intellect's existence, but it is a
messy world out there and intellect must exist on top of social level.
 In doing so it must co-exist with the social level that supports it.
In doing so there are times that the social level influences, though
never dominates, intellect as well.

All the best,
Mati