[MD] Marsha's (s)OL

[MarshaV]

Platt,

Patterns are memories, customs, habits, rituals, interpretations, rules, and
patterns of nature.  Rules of grammar and the rules of logic would be
intellectual static patterns of value.  They are the rules to objectify and
manipulate the concepts and symbols in the Intellectual Level.  RMP has said
that the Intellectual patterns are those such as theology, science,
philosophy and mathematics.  I understand patterns, in general, also to be
ever-changing, interrelated, interconnected, relative and conceptually
constructed.  The word 'process' was used because patterns are NOT
independent, thing-in-themselves, but events and processes.  For me, the
most important thing is that Quality is unpatterned experience and patterned
experience. 
 
 
Marsha 


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On 12 Oct 2009 at 16:27, MarshaV wrote:

> I added my original post at the bottom of this one, but let me repeat,
'The
> Intellectual Level is comprised of patterns that represent the process of
> objectifying and manipulating abstract symbols: "Objectification is the
> process by which abstract concepts are treated as if they were concrete
> things or physical objects.  In this  
> sense the term is synonym to reification."'  This is my description of the
> patterns the inhabit the Intellectual level.  I do not agree that
intellect
> is "simply thinking". There is no 'simply thinking' within  the MoQ; there
> is unpatterned experience (DQ) and patterned experience (sq = static
> patterns of value).  

Hi Marsha,

I like this but have a couple of questions. When you say, "The 
intellectual level is comprised of patterns that represent the process of 
objectifying and manipulating abstract symbols, " I wonder what you 
mean by "patterns" and "represent." Does "patterns" refer to 
grammatical rules perhaps? Do the symbols employed in 
communicating grammatical rules comprise what is doing the 
"representing?" In other words, I'm trying to identify the patterns you 
refer to at the beginning and the symbols that "represent the process."

Maybe this is a case of the snake swallowing its tail (strange loop) or the 
impossibility of defining a symbolic (representative) system with other 
symbols. Or maybe, and most likely, I'm making a mountain out of mole 
hole. 

Anyway, your last line is classic. One for my keeper book.

Platt 
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