[MD] irony and socrates

[skutvik at online.no]

For Marsha 

13 Oct. u wrote: 

> We are intellectualizing, and therefore objectification and
> manipulation part of the process.  

Intelligence emerged with neural complexity and  "exploded" with the 
humans and has been used by all levels. We "intellectualize" when 
intelligence is used in the  4th level's service and "socialize" when its 
used in the 3rd.  and "biologize" ... etc.    

> I believe the MoQ is an intellectual static pattern of value, and
> chocked full of objectified symbols.   

Intellect is MOQ's 4th. level and its static value is (in this case) the 
"symbol/whats symbolized" dualism. "Objectified symbols" is an 
oxymoron if you apply intellect's "symbol/what's symbolized" dualism 
where symbols are subjective by default.  

> In my investigation, the Quality presented in the MoQ is unpatterned
> experience and patterned experience.  Patterned experience (sq or
> static patterns of value) is conceptually constructed, ever-changing,
> relative and interrelated. Unpatterned experience (DQ) is indivisible,
> undefinable and unknowable. Without expanding on my definition, is
> there something you do not agree with? 

Without expanding there is nothing I agree with.

Expanding: The MOQ postulates a dynamic and static aspect to 
Quality. We all know what "dynamic" means, no use heaping on more 
adjectives. The Static is what has sedimented as the known level 
hierarchy the first of which is the universe itself and that's not a 
concept (it is, but language is our "vehicle" and "dynamic" is also a 
concept if you start down that trail). DQ/SQ has no counterpart in the 
Dynamic/Concept, that's where Pirsig deviated from Phaedrus.

Bodvar